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[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 55 points 4 months ago

Okay, first of all, 200 years ago was 1826, so why are we looking at a pic of cave men? They already had working telegraph machines in 1826. So, no, they aren't going to be that confused by the concept of electricity.

Secondly, don't sell yourself too short. Just knowing that washing your hands prevents the spread of disease could be a big benefit.

And thirdly, don't revel in your ignorance -- go out and learn some shit! You've got the entire internet at your fingertips right now. If you don't know how electricity works, go learn how electricity works. You can do it right now. Seriously, close social media and search for "how does electricity work".

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 months ago

Secondly, don't sell yourself too short. Just knowing that washing your hands prevents the spread of disease could be a big benefit.

Or, more than likely, it'll get you killed. The earliest proponents of germ theory weren't really treated the best.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago

i think killed is a bit over the top, more like severely ridiculed and excluded.

[-] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago

Boil water, spin fancy rock

[-] SourGumGum@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Exactly. All you need to know about power generation is that it is simply boiling water.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 4 points 4 months ago

Ugnug boil water. Ugnug no see electricity. Ugnug say future man is bullshit.

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[-] wbrianwhite@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

So tell me how you do it? I'm just testing you. I already know how.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 7 points 4 months ago

How you ... wash your hands?

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[-] 58008@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

200 years isn't that long ago, but call it 2,000 years: If you go back with at least a cursory grasp of the scientific method, that might be enough to get things up and running, if not for you then for the more intelligent and scientifically-minded types around you. "Try to prove yourself wrong at every step of the process" isn't a natural impulse for most of us, but once taught and understood, it changes the game.

You could also drop a few tantalising nuggets even if you don't know what they mean:

  • E=MC^2^
  • Basic concept of evolution by natural selection
  • Germ theory of disease
  • Electromagnetism
  • Lenses for microscopy and telescopy, using the same lenses to start fires with the sun
  • Electrical conductivity of different materials (e.g. metal good, wool bad)
  • The basic components of a battery
  • Newton's first few laws
  • Radio waves
  • Calculus
  • Periodic table of elements

Those are all things you can read about in any library, so you could do a crash course and memorise the broad strokes or write them down, or just take the books with you if that's allowed.

If it were me, however, I'd just instantly kill myself.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 months ago

I'd say the only thing you need to get electricity started is a civilization with sufficiently ready access to copper and lodestone that they're not luxury materials.

If you plop out in egypt or rome you can totally do it, it'll just be a matter of convincing people to let you try.
Get some copper wire, some flat-ish bits of lodestone, and follow this: https://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Simple-Electric-Generator Then you crank that soulja boy and find some way to show off the electricity, maybe just have it arc between the wire ends or make a frog leg twitch or something (assuming that doesn't just horrify people). Or just make two of this setup and wire them to each other, so you can show that spinning one end makes the other end spin as well.

Hopefully that'll make some people go "oh shit what if.."

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 25 points 4 months ago
[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

Strong disagree.

Put a guy back 200 years ago with the concept of things to come and let the great thinker of the time stand on the shoulders of an Everyman from today, we would be at least a hundred years ahead of where we are currently.

There were some very intelligent people back then who just didn't know the rules of the game they were playing. They had to figure out the rules so future inventors could build off of them.

Go back 200 years and say "everything is made of things from the periodic table, it has rows and columns" and you instantly revolutionize chemistry. If you know of acids and bases you're even further along. There are ways to communicate long distances without using sounds or visible light, boom twenty years later I guarantee someone will have figured it out, it's terribly obvious once you know it's possible, but why would you assume invisible communication is possible since it's so outlandish to our seemingly natural everyday rules?

The only thing you need to do is survive being proclaimed a heretic, you need to get open minded thinkers to hear you, because the closed mindedness was even more entrenched in society than it is today.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 19 points 4 months ago

There are ways to communicate long distances without using sounds or visible light

Somebody in 1826: "No shit, dumbass. It's called a telegraph."

[-] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 10 points 4 months ago

Credibility is your biggest challenge, if you go back and inhabit a big name thinker's body you'll accomplish things, if you go back as an outcast stranger who appeared in the woods one day, you're probably going to die in a cell somewhere, or just of exposure, before you get anyone's serious attention about "what makes up everything."

Reminds me of a Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 months ago

you're not completely incorrect, but you seem to have a very pop-sci picture of how the past worked.

If you suddenly appeared in the forest one day it's AFAIK perfectly possible that people would treat you as any immigrant, just go down to the church and get registered and everything will be just dandy so long as you can do some sort of work.

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[-] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 months ago

1826 sure looked primitive.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 13 points 4 months ago

200y ago electricity was already a known thing, though not something you got home yet.

One thing you could do, however, is buy up "worthless" land around the Middle East for when oil starts being drilled

[-] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 11 points 4 months ago

put lemon juice in shiny metal you found in cave put lot of it 5 lemons juice take shiny metal string attach to eachother make big big fire

wash hand in fire boiled river water and do surgery with washed hand and washed utensil

you know how make beer? ok now put hands and tool in beer when surgery

dirty hand cause death .

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Alcohol in beer isn't strong enough to disinfect. Don't dip your surgical tool is beer.

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[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Lemon juice will be a problem. You'll have to make lemons first.

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

Your biggest issue with tech, even if you know how to make it, is getting the materials.

[-] NoosFraba@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Everyone tends to forget the tools to make the tools to make the tools to make tools precise enough for half the shit we make. Or consistent enough. There's alot of steps between sticks stones and fire to pretty much anything today.

Sure you don't need an industrial revolution for ALOT of stuff. But hot damn are you gonna run into issues without it, eventually

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago

which is why you should learn about medieval technology, that's something you can generally make from scratch with a team of workers.

Yeah if you only have stone tools it'll probably be shitty, but a shitty waterwheel that spins a shitty lathe is still plenty useful. It's kind of nuts how much luxury you can get in no time at all if you just know what's possible to make.

[-] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 5 points 4 months ago

Use shitty waterwheel to make less shitty waterwheel

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[-] Etterra@discuss.online 7 points 4 months ago

I know how electricity works, but without any technology more advanced than flint tools I'm gonna just have to go with "magic."

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

You go fire - > kiln - > charcoal - > furnace - > steel and copper - > permanent magnets - > electric motor.

The tricky thing is that you need a naturally occurring magnet (lodestone) to make the first steel magnet. If you happen to have a magnet on you you can do heat treatment of the steel, rub the magnet to align the atoms and get yourself a better magnet.

After you got the electric motor you both have a generator and a motor easy peasy.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

I died of simple infection while building the kiln. No antibiotics.

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[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

You can use chemical batteries to create electric current without magnets.

You can also create weak permanent magnets by just hitting iron with a hammer.

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[-] omgboom@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Spin a copper wire between 2 magnets

[-] HeyMrDeadMan@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Okay. Make a copper wire. Make a magnet.

[-] WaxRhetorical@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Are you saying copper wire and magnets weren't a thing 100 years ago? Ørsted discovered that electrical fields can affect a compass needle in 1820.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

Even thousands of years ago, you can find native copper in some places. If you're lucky this isn't that hard. Also, I'm not certain on the properties required, but I think you just need a decent conductor, not copper specifically. Copper is just conductive, pretty available, and easy to work with. Also, there are naturally forming magnets. You don't need to make one.

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[-] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 months ago

My only issue is turning spinning into power. I know we need spinning, and spinning is easy. Water mills are a thing and have been for ages.

[-] aguasemgas@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 4 months ago

That's one thing that's kinda bothers me a little bit in animes (Isekais).Like who the fuck knows exactly the chemical process on how to make everything and how every details gets done just by giving a vague description of something they only heard of.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 points 4 months ago

You would at least know about penicillin, germ theory, how cells work, and about atoms. So much theory and philosophy would be skipped, for better or worse.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 8 points 4 months ago

Good luck proving it, strange screaming man on the corner with no viable preindustrial skills

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

you have seen my comments how exactly is that different from me now

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[-] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago

Idk about that. Inventing pottery, agriculture, and permanent structures seems pretty easy even for an idiot of our time.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 4 points 4 months ago

Nomadic hunter/gatherers probably would have known how to make pottery and permanent structures -- they just chose not to, because pottery is generally too heavy and fragile to haul along on long nomadic journeys, and permanent structures are a waste of time and effort if you're not going to live there permanently.

Really, agriculture is the key to making pottery and permanent structures practical.

But you might not find agriculture to be as easy as you'd think, especially if you're not already an experienced farmer/gardener. Subsistence farming can be tricky and risky at the best of times, and those are not the best of times. You'll have several challenges to inventing agriculture:

  • Modern domesticated crops haven't been domesticated yet. Which means you're stuck cultivating the shitty wild versions, which generally have much lower crop yields. Eventually you could begin domesticating crops yourself, but that takes many years, and you've got to eat in the meantime. Most animals haven't been domesticated yet, either, so if you're trying to raise animals, you're going to be dealing with smaller, leaner ones that are more difficult to handle and control.

  • No weather forecasts or almanacs to work from. It will probably take you a few years just to get a good feel for the local weather patterns (which may be different back in that time than they are now). Which means a higher chance of crop failures due to unexpected bad weather.

  • Wild animals haven't been decimated as much yet, which means you're more likely to have problems with wild animals eating your crops before you can harvest them. (You'll also need to spend a lot of time making pottery, to keep wild animals -- especially rodents -- out of your crops after you harvest them.)

  • You don't have modern fertilizers, herbicides, and pesticides. Fertilizer can be locally made easily enough (though it still won't be as good as the processed modern stuff). But your only substitute for herbicides will be to laboriously go out there and manually remove weeds. And the lack of pesticides might really hurt you if you're unlucky enough to get a bad infestation and bugs eat all of your crops. A swarm of locusts rolling through at the wrong time could doom you to starvation.

  • You may have difficulty fending off other hunter/gatherer tribes who have no concept of land ownership and see your crops as just more wild plants to gather and eat whenever they want. And if you try to stop them from doing that, you might end up looking down the pointy end of a pointy stick.

Especially when first getting started, before you've managed to create a stockpile to fall back on, just one or two failed crops -- for any of the reasons listed above, or for a dozen other reasons -- could mean starvation and death in the winter. Inventing agriculture isn't as simple as just having the idea of 'Hey, let's stay in one spot and grow stuff there.' It's an entire system that needs to be set up. And it's a system that will be very fragile in the beginning, when you haven't yet had a chance to build up a stockpile that could carry you through bad years.

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[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago

"the fuck we do with this shit? We don't stay in one place so long. Fuck off"

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[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

if you transported me 200 years in the past, i would just go to turkey and enjoy steam powered kebab. dudes knew what was up

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Don't forget having tea from the Turkish Combustion Kettle!

Imagine a vertically placed jet throttle with flames going up high and the tea kettle on the side-platform. Clearly whoever took the picture done something wrong this is NOT how high the flames are supposed to go
(Not AI :3)

[-] MEtrINeS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago

Maybe they would invent nothing, but at least we would get rid of the anti-vaxxx people.

[-] bizarroland@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I don't know. I know a lot of songs, and I'm a halfway decent singer, so I could probably do quite alright just being a traveling minstrel.

Get my hands on a lute, or some sort of stringed instrument, and figure out the difference between that and a guitar, and I'm set.

[-] MEtrINeS@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago

Making eletricity is easy! We just need magnets.

Now to make magnets it's the hard part. We need magic!

[-] vane@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Where dinosaurs ?

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