Proton has respond on reddit : privacy

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 63 points 3 months ago

It's a good PR statement.

But first the trump thing, and now this. They should have been WAY more cautious about this kind of thing.

But they weren't. For some reason. Maybe it's standard corporate neglect. Maybe it's that they're trying to support the far right without looking like it. Maybe 100 other things.

I'm not inclined to give Andy Yen a pass because that was egregious, but this seems like they may have allowed people to request sponsorship without enough vetting.

It's still two strikes.

[-] JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

https://vger.to/lemmy.ml/comment/26101269

And they are sponsoring the far right grandson of a military dictator in Brazil who has pushed coup attempts.

The strikes just keep adding up.

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[-] 13igTyme@piefed.social 11 points 3 months ago

I was looking at VPNs to use and liked how proton had the email and other features. Them supporting someone from Trump's cabinet a few months back sort of killed that. This sealed it. Three strikes are not necessary.

[-] Yakfolk@anarchist.nexus 5 points 3 months ago

I bailed on them the minute they made that mistake. I had been very content with their service though less so with all of the new things they were rolling out like the crypto wallet, etc. I miss the convenience of everything in one place but it sounds like I ditched them at a good time.

[-] tkohldesac@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

what are you using now? My wife and I struggle to find reasonably priced alternatives. We really only use it for email and password management.

[-] UntimedDiffusion@piefed.zip 5 points 3 months ago

For a VPN? I use AirVPN but I think Mullvad and IVPN are generally considered best in class for privacy, all of which get down to $5/month depending on the plan you choose.

For password manager I use Bitwarden, but they went through their own controversy a couple weeks ago, so.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 4 points 3 months ago

Onboarding private equity isn't much of a controversy.
I abandoned ship right then and there.

[-] 13igTyme@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago

Mother fucker.

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago

Fron your link: "This is not a paywall."

Don't care, bypassing it anyway

[-] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Hey chat, no worries, we listened. Totally not a paywall anywhere, so yo. Got a sec to learn abou— __

Nope. "Paywall", staywall, same. ^sidestep^ ^dip^ Sillyass, bitch.

[-] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago

It's certainly odd that it's happened twi— oh. How many strikes at we at, currently? 🤢

[-] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 5 points 3 months ago

Im happy I cancelled Proton a year ago.

What I'm not happy about is still seeing Proton as recommended in privacy memes over and over again.

[-] HeartyOfGlass@piefed.social 62 points 3 months ago

"You’re right to raise this..."

"... and that's on us."

Has the same kind of simpering tone you'd get out of an LLM.

[-] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 35 points 3 months ago

What do you think LLMs were trained off of, my friend?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 28 points 3 months ago

Or any PR firm, which is why they talk like that in the first place.

This does make me wonder if the AI simpers differently in different languages.

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[-] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Which doesn't mean it was written by an LLM. This has been standard corporate speak from before LLMs existed.

[-] refalo@programming.dev 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Just curious, what could they have possibly done instead that would satisfy you?

[-] HeartyOfGlass@piefed.social 5 points 3 months ago

... not used an LLM to write their apology?

I mean, I'm satisfied. This indicates to me they don't care. That's all I need to hear.

[-] refalo@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There is no proof they used an LLM. Plus, LLMs are trained on human text anyway, who actually talk like this... it's not like LLMs invented their own way of speaking.

Would you have preferred no apology at all?

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[-] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 months ago

Meanwhile im positively surprised that there is no "sorry you are offended"-BS at all in this statement.

[-] aramis87@fedia.io 41 points 3 months ago

If you see something like this again, tell us. We rely on your feedback and vigilance.

Or ... you could ensure something like this doesn't happen again yourselves. It's not our job to police your social media purchases.

Plus, it seems like you were notified and got feedback - just that it happened way more publicly than you wanted. Which again, isn't our problem to deal with.

[-] otter@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 months ago

Not worded the best, but they did say they were going to rework how they evaluated where they are marketing. I read that as a last resort when they make a mistake they're willing to listen.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 37 points 3 months ago

My first reaction was it looks AI generated, but TBH I've seen plenty of corporate CYA pieces like this before GAI existed, so it could just be that's where AI got it from...

[-] AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev 18 points 3 months ago

LLMs are soulless.

Marketing and PR people are soulless.

It's not coincidence they sound alike.

[-] eleijeep@piefed.social 7 points 3 months ago

It's 100% LLM slop.

[-] frank@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 months ago

When LLMs started to sound like middle managers we made the mistake of assuming it was conscious instead of assuming that middle managers weren't

[-] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 months ago

This reads like chatgpt.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

"Write an apology to placate the angry nerds on the internet"

[-] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago

No the fascist ones are fine. Just need to placate the angry wokes again.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I don't know very many fascists that fall into the nerdy category though

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[-] Dojan@pawb.social 11 points 3 months ago

No way in hell this wasn't shat out by an LLM.

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 5 points 3 months ago

There's a LOT of corporate CYA bullshit to train from.

[-] tyler@programming.dev 21 points 3 months ago

Responded to what

[-] lefty7283@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

https://lemmy.world/post/47908059

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[-] leraje@piefed.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 months ago

I believe them when they say this was an error of vetting because they'd have to be naive to think this wouldn't be discovered and that a lot of their customers would have an issue with it. But that in itself is troubling. Proton are not some small-fry company with staff numbers in the single digits. Something like this speaks to their lack of planning, organisation and error-checking which are very bad traits for a privacy-centered set of software developers to have.

I've always been slightly suspicious of Proton without really knowing why but this and the previous Trump thing have made those suspicions more hardened. Everyone makes mistakes but to not even do basic checking and to lack the organisation and judgement to implement it is not something that inspires trust in the software they develop.

[-] Arcka@midwest.social 5 points 3 months ago

for a privacy-centered set of software developers to have

(Especially since they're "not some small-fry company") No developers would have been involved in this, it was 100% marketing dept and likely some service provider they use.

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[-] Deebster@infosec.pub 14 points 3 months ago

I'm out of the loop here, what's this drama about?

[-] XLE@piefed.social 17 points 3 months ago

Proton is currently sponsoring the far-right French YouTuber Vincent Lapierre.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Lapierre

It’s not just an affiliate link, but a partnership announced in the description and through an entire 2min 20s segment embedded in the video.

Vincent Lapierre’s Wikipedia page is quite explicit about his far-right positioning and includes numerous sources. He worked for several years for a far-right organization founded by Alain Soral, which promotes anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denying, conspiracist, sexist, masculinist, transphobic, and homophobic ideas, and who fled to Russia to escape justice.

https://www.reddit.com/r/degoogle/comments/1tzbizh/proton_is_funding_the_french_far_right_on_youtube/

[-] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's not a partnership. It's a normal sponsor segment. Leave it to a right winger to lie about their affiliations.

[-] XLE@piefed.social 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Vincent and his audience might disagree...

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 25 points 3 months ago

You Really Think Someone Would Do That? Just Go On the Internet and Tell Lies?

[-] Loid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

why did you type it like a title?

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 15 points 3 months ago

I copy pasted it from know your meme lol

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah that's why LurkingLuddite said "it's not a partnership. It's a normal sponsor segment. Leave it to a right winger to lie about their affiliations."

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 6 points 3 months ago

Whenever you see something like this, a wizard did it.

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