There is no taking. By having a child you automatically give to him a lifetime of support. That's your role as a parent. Children are not your slaves. If you don't want to accept that, don't have children.
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When they say "You owe me for ______", ask them: "How much?"
See if you can get them to put a dollar amount on it.
Not that anything particularly useful will come of such a conversation, but it will be kind of funny. Possibly it might even cause them to think a little bit. Maybe you can wrap up the conversation by telling them, "Well, I'm not paying it. You can try to sue me for it."
Yes, from personal experience. They can even keep track of it for years.
My opinion also, but in a slightly darker radical tone that I never share otherwise: bringing someone into this world of suffering is a misguided act of unconscious selfishness and whoever does so owes all available effort to reduce that suffering. In practice, no one is able to acquit themselves of this debt, which is why I hope I never have kids...
That's a very nihilistic view that implies existence is not worth anything. Personally, I believe that existing is actually beautiful and worth experiencing, even if it sucks sometimes and has inherit suffering. Otherwise we might as well all lie down, stop eating or drinking, and wait for death. Kids don't see the world as suffering and pain β they enjoy every moment with unjaded, curious eyes.
Kids don't see the world as suffering and pain β they enjoy every moment with unjaded, curious eyes.
Well, you know, ideally
You can't play football, it's too dangerous!
You can't take a martial arts class, it's dangerous and too expensive!
You can't get a drum kit, it's too loud and too expensive!
You can't have guitar lessons, it's too expensive and too loud!
Never leave this neighborhood it's too dangerous!
15 years later
Why do you sit inside all day!?! Get a hobby!
Boomers and Gen X were heavily conditioned by the wave of crimes and news of serial killers. So it's understandable why they have been overprotective.
That's my monster boomer mother. Also include "while you live under MY roof... blah-blah". I spent my early childhood not feeling like I had a home. I was just visiting her house. Nothing was mine. She of course forgets my father paid for that house and she got it for free in the divorce.
She'd also say to me "the world doesn't owe you a living." She only had a high school degree and a year as a "kelly girl". That turned into a secretary job at a community college, which later turned into a better secretary job at a huge aerospace company. After a few years that paid more than enough to live and she got stocks and a pension out of the deal. Her aunt died and left her a fortune (none for me). She's one of those boomers that did the bare minimum in life, sits on a pile of free cash, free house, retired early, and complains about people on welfare or "damn government handouts". Meanwhile she has never contributed anything of value to society, never volunteers, never donates to charity. She's a fucking leach.
Oh yeah. When parents got divorced, she got primary custody of me. She was so insane, I ended up moving to my fathers house when I was 10. My father continued to pay her child support to stop her from filing a complaint with the court about me living with him (He was chill and figured it was the easy way to deal with her). So add that to the list of free money to her.
Anyway, now she's old, fat, stupid, with no friends and will die alone. I actually expect her to die in the house alone and they'll find her weeks later after her cat has chewed out chunks of her. LOL. Good kitty.
This makes me feel bad for the cat.
My parents gave as much as they could. I never thought it was enough when I was a kid. Now that I'm in my forties, I know just how much that was.
I come from work tired as fuck and I know my old man was the same way, but he still found time to take me to the playground and then taught me math and English every night. My mom did the exact same but there was always a lunch and a dinner cooked for my ungrateful ass.
Through it all, they always loved me and said they were proud of me.
When ya comin' home son?
I don't know when, but we'll get together then.
It's not like I asked to be born, jeez. That's like deciding to get a dog and then be surprised that it actually takes work to care of it.
For anyone confused and making "parenting is hard and parents do their best" apologetics in the comments, this comic portrays long term, systematic child abuse and survivors recognize it immediately. If a parent's "best" involves abuse of any kind, it simply isn't good enough, and no victim owes their abuser a single thing.
For any fellow survivors, I see you and it's not your fault. They made choices when they raised you in a climate of terror, abuse, blame, and cruelty, you had no choice. Leave them to the natural consequences of their choices, your one wild life is your own, don't let them take any more of it than they already have.
Not my mother, but my father.
He spent literally all my childhood "working" 16 hour shifts (not because he needed to) while neglecting his kids, and tries to solve all our problems with money instead of, you know, actually listening and supporting his kids emotionally, and now asks why none of us visit him.
/rant
Raising emotionally retarded men
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obligating men to be fathers
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making bread winning the father's only familial responsibility
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our dads
Edit:
Lemmy nerds: what exactly do I need to escape to prevent getting a massive heading font on the above?
I think the Raised By Narcissists group needs more activity. This was my childhood fer shurr.
I'm in this comic and I don't like it.
Imagine they bring you to this suffering planet against your will and then give you this bullshit. Wow just wow π€©
Cut toxic people out of your life. No matter who it is. Period.
Simple best rule for a happier life.
OK but what if you're 6 and the toxic people are your parents?
Go into the world, learn a trade and make a man out of yourself. There's no rule that says a steel worker, a deep sea welder or an HVAC repairman can't be six. /s
I once told my mother i didn't owe her shit for getting drunk and horny on NYE (i'm an early sept baby)
....hilarity did not ensue
"Children in Africa are dying, doesn't this make you more grateful?" -No...
Is that a MAGA mom?
It reminds me of one I know. They just need the βI brought you into this world, I can take you out" quote to make it complete.
No, just a bad mother. They can be either conservative or liberal. Don't ask me how I know.....
Lol, you think this is a team sports thing. It's a resentful human thing, which is mostly just a human thing
"Do you want me to give you something to cry about?"
That's pretty much every narcissist's view of having kids. That you owe them something for just making you exist.
Both of my grandfathers were horrible, and then largely absent. When each of them died, I managed a shrug and a mild bit of interest in learning more about them from their obituaries than they had ever shared with me over my entire life. My parents both show signs of generational trauma. They did their best with me, and I give them each passing grades, somewhat elevated by the fact that they got divorced when I don't remember, rather than sticking it out in a malfunctional marriage and no doubt allowing me to get caught in the crossfire. Even for all of that, I recognize in myself some of the echoes of what was done to them. I've done therapy and I've resolved to make sure my kid knows that, even if we sometimes argue or have to tell her things she doesn't want to hear, that no matter what we'll always love and cherish her.
Try to live your life in such a way that, when you die, the people you leave behind can manage more of an emotional reaction than a shrug and moving on with their day.
#RaisedByNarcissists
This is a great article on this topic
https://issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/when-the-missing-reasons-arent-missing/
Many such cases
How did you interview my mother to make this comic?
