Yes, Google maps is bad for hiking. People that don't hike don't know what apps to use or how to recognize difficult trails. We all like to brag about our achievements (I hiked GR-11 in 29 days) but there's very little value in saying "I'm a hiker and I know not to do that". This story is supposed to warn non-hikers.
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Typical Vancouver cidiot behaviour, nothing surprises me anymore
This is a very rare occasion. In the real hiking community, nobody uses Google maps
You don't need to be part of a real community to know this. Google Maps is good to check opening hours and how many reviews an establishment deleted, not for actually getting anywhere.
Where I live it still works fine. It might not be perfect and it does not work great for longer bike tours (If you actually want nice tours and not just the shortest), but if you're going by car or train it's good.
I don't hike, but my experience with regular walking directions is that Google is regularly wrong…because it overestimates how long a trip will take.
Its directions for driving and public transport (at least where it has cooperation of the local public transport agency, as it does where I live) are excellent.
Cycling directions are the only one where I'd say a normal person's experience is likely to be a bad one, with it regularly taking you on dangerous busy roads rather than nearby quieter streets or bike paths.
So I don't find it particularly surprising at all that someone who isn't a regular hiker would make the mistake of relying on it.
Walking speed is very subjective though. Realistically, hikers never agree on time it takes, and a lot of it comes down more to experience with your speed. In my case, I'm actually probably stronger than many people going uphill.. But, downhill, my feet start to hurt and I get slow quickly.
Gravity walking is the missing link, lift your foot and let gravity pull it down. You'll be going down almost running and it takes barely any energy.
It's best in places without other humans, as you're basically a locomotive and it takes time to slow down
These were pretty steep stairs. And I have plantar fascitis. With a 20kg pack, not much you can do really
I suspect that Google doesn't account for anything. If I had to guess, I'd say it assumes a certain pace as the normal walking pace, and leaves it at that. Elevation, traffic lights, fatigue, and any other factors that might affect it be damned. So its time estimations for a hiking route are going to be a lot worse than its regular walking estimations. And all that's before you account for, as you say, individual differences.
And best of all, it's based on an American average
Yeah their maps are pretty shit, often missing paths. I use comaps which is offline open street maps, generally better but can still be lacking. Ordnance survey maps are the best and it isn't even close.
I love OSM because there was an island in the middle of the river in my town and depending on the water height this island gets smaller and bigger, whenever there is a large amount of rain and the river is extremely high the island vanishes. Usually the island disappears from OSM within about 10 minutes and then is re-added when the river drops down to its normal level. Truly Wikipedia levels of pedantic pettiness, and I'm here for it.
Using ordnance survey maps is often like navigating a minefield. The ordinance survey maps are pretty helpful though.
Most people so rarely need to navigate legislation that Ordinance Survey maps aren't common. Ordnance Survey maps on the other hand are great for navigating the British countryside.
people who just got into hiking and don't have a good mentor don't know that
I suspect that actually Google maps use in the hiking community is pretty high. Just not amongst experts.
Usually it's only experts who try to tackle these difficult routes.
What would the real hiking community use?
I'm surprised no one has said AllTrails since it's one of the biggest. Is there something bad about that app I'm unaware of?
I believe that's very regional, if there's a local hiking club you could try to reach out to them.
There's often forums dedicated to hiking, which have all sorts of hikes mapped out.
But a map service like mapy.com (formerly .cz), has the official marked routes as part of their mapping data
I hike a lot and use Organic Maps, which is a front end for OpenStreetMaps. Far more detail available on OSM, plus you actually get to choose what's on display, rather than Google arbitrarily deciding that a road/track/landmark aren't important enough to mention.
Fwiw most people I've seen recommend switching from Organic Maps to CoMaps. The latter is a fork of the former, made because OM was being run in a very untransparent way, including (but far from limited to) the discreet use of closed-source code.
Perfect example of Google maps issue, is that we did Grampians on the weekend here in Australia. And, it still had a road/track which had been completely deleted (probably long ago). And it wasn't on any other maps.. There was a rusted sign that had been long removed and sawed off sitting where the route clearly used to be, but no sign of route anymore
These days, most people tend to just use AllTrails or Avenza because they're convenient. For Thru hiking (really long hikes), people tend to use products (apparently) like Captopo which better facilitate planning, tagging on long hikes and time calculations (I am hoping to do a thru hike soon).
In practice though, stolen untested routes used in Alltrails present their own problems though, as, the Alltrails team don't actually check if the routes are safe or correct. I suspect they just steal them from other sources. But, for most people, its great as its convenient
OpenTopo/Openstreetmaps are commonly used as the source for a lot of mapping systems though, as it tends to be up to date and accurate in most places. (i use it on my garmin etrex 32x as a backup). I was also advised to use Strava Heatmaps on a hike I am planning to do to find water in certain locations, however, I use GPX Map viewer Pro, and use people I trust for routes if possible (or make my own).
Google Maps is great for roads, but, the data simply isn't that accurate for anything else. And, there is no good way to report bad hiking routes. With OSM and other things, they can be fairly easily fixed
Why would what I assume is a total novice think to themselves hmm I'm going to find a 5 hour hike for my first time out. So many bad decisions went into what happened.
How's OpenStreetMap for that and walking around? I've degoogled a bit ago and have been using Co-Maps for cycling and driving navigation, but I never tried using it for nature preserves and trails (or walking around the streets where I live in the US).
Openstreetmaps with comaps is what I use when I go backpacking, at times having more up to date and accurate information than physical maps. It also does a pretty great job with its time estimations, sometimes it feels the elevation (gain and loss) is off though
Openstreetmaps
It's one map. So OpenStreetMap!
Here in BC too many tourists do use Google maps and get into trouble. At least these idiots didn't lose their lives, that happens annually.
Who in their sane mind uses Google Maps for hiking?! That shit can't build a proper pedestrian route inside the city...
Google maps generally does well in Japanese cities, but they're mostly meant to be walkable anyway. It even knows about elevated routes over roads in many cities.
The linked video at the end of the article shows the trail, and it's for sure an expert level trail, full of dangerous sections. The video says the full trail is only 30km long, but they reccommend 2-3 days, it's full of steep sections, cliffs at the side, false trails leading nowhere, unstable terrain, bears... They were lucky they actually didn't get seriously injured.
There's always a few stories every year about people nearly dying trying to climb mount Snowdon in Wales, and while it's definitely no hill it's also not exactly K2. The problem is that they try and climb a mountain called Snowdon in flip flops and short shorts, because it's warm at the base.
The mountain is called Yr Wyddfa. Its previous name was Snowdon, though the railway kept the old name.
I was ready to poke fun at the UK because 1km is an unimpressive peak but I see that most the trails start pretty much at sea level so that is one hell of a walk. (And half a million people do it every year!)
May I recommens CoMaps. Offline pro privacy and has trails.
OsmAnd. It can show public hike and bike paths, but UI takes time to get used to.
CoMaps is based off OsmAnd.
I tried it but it has a very steep learning curve
All you have to do is use your brain to figure out 18km of mountainous terrain is going to take longer than 5 hours.
“Okay Google Maps, literally just stay in ur lane”