Okay, but most of the male characters look like this:

Why ruin a good game for the so called" male gaze" or “sex sells” thing? why?
... because of the 'sells' part? Game publishers aren't in business to make good games, they're there to make money.
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Okay, but most of the male characters look like this:

Why ruin a good game for the so called" male gaze" or “sex sells” thing? why?
... because of the 'sells' part? Game publishers aren't in business to make good games, they're there to make money.
Not disagreeing, but... have you seen male video game characters? They're less often half-naked, but usually similarly sexualized.
In fact, video edits about male characters' appearance are vastly more popular than the ones about female characters' appearance.
The male characters are also incredibly more unrealistic. At least from my experience. I have yet to meet a guy who looks like Leon Kennedy, Geralt or Adam Jensen. While having met many women who looked exactly like or better than various female game characters.
Some years ago, it may have been the case that female characters were much more sexualized than male characters, due to lack of female gamers. Nowadays though, I feel like it's nearly equal both ways. The difference is in how the characters are portrayed and received by men and women. Both have, on average, different preferences.
The issue isn't really with men, female characters or video games. All industries of our entire society are filled to the brim with porn and erotic material. And that's largely because of capitalism. Porn and anything containing porn sells well. So in a society built around selling and profits, all of that sooner or later becomes the most popular, and the norm.
Capcom literally had a panel filled with women to be absolutely sure they were making Leon as sexy as possible for everyone. He was hand sculpted for one purpose.
And they still gave him that stupid ass haircut?
Like it or not, this is peak male sexy performance. Confirmed by women.
What women have to do to look like female video game characters:
Don't eat garbage like a starving racoon, go for a walk every once in a while, do squats, do sit-ups, wear makeup mainly eyeliner and blush, keep acne/dermatitis in check (optional), wear a pushup bra (optional), wear tight clothes
deemed completely unrealistic and impossible to achieve
What men have to do to look like male video game characters:
Go to the gym every day doing hard muscle training and cardio, take supplements, eat pineapple, take steroids, eat 6000 calories a day, be constantly dehydrated, get vocal training to deepen their voice (optional), get hair implants to maintain perfect hairline regardless of age (optional), be able to grow perfect full beard (optional)
barely possible for a normal person and extremely taxing on body
It's interesting that people will find issue with sex appeal and unrealistic body proportions in fantasy media but are fine with everything else unrealistic about fantasy. I think the real issue is the unrealistic expectations people put on themselves and others because they can't separate fantasy from reality.
I will never be as buff and chiseled as batman.
My issue is that it's shoved in where it's not needed. Sexy characters where appropriate makes sense. Random panty shots in an action scene don't.
Yeah I agree with you there, if it's random it takes you out of the story. At least let me know what I'm getting into from the start.
That pantyshot tendency I think is a greater Anime thing than a video game thing.
But if we are talking a fighting game like Street Fighter or something: those are like Luchadore and Professional wrestling. Those are costumes and the sex appeal is usually the point.
But then you have games like Nier that just have lingerie dolls as main characters.
Appropriate sexiness is extremely hard to pin down.
To be fair, the creator of Nier Automata stated he specifically designed 2B so that attractive girls would cosplay as her.
Was that the guy who tweeted that he'd noticed that there were many rude pictures of 2B on the internet and it was hard to keep track of them all so he wanted someone to just send him a zip file every week?
I also hate that the word “unrealistic” keeps coming up about character bodies when so many are literally real people that got body scanned.
It's a if people can't fathom that different body types exist from their own.
People don't just accept everything unrealistic about fantasy though, you can find plenty of complaints about inconsistencies in world building. Having completely fictional aspects like magic or dragons that work by specific rules within the narrative isn't the same as taking real world creatures and hypersexualising them.
For me the problem here is that the only characters that are sexualised are women. If the game is sexual, then just add the beautiful naked guys. I am sure that this move will double the audience (i am the audience).
In a lot of games the men are not exactly realisticly sized either. They aren't often as sexualized as the women, but most are max 15% body fat and shredded to the point that they'd need steroids in real life.
Dummy thicc Solid Snakes clapping cheeks come to mind.
That Marvel wannabe Overwatch video game puts women in tons of skimpy outfits but those men's asses and chests are on display as well in skintight outfits.
"It's like I'm wearing nothing at all."
...stupid sexy Flanders.
i miss 70s and 80s male sexualization

I have kinda realized that this stuff is everywhere, not just in games and the "female gaze" is just as unrealistic in portraying men, it just isn't (as much) sexual. Read any romance book aimed at women and you know what I mean. There are very few men who can live up to being a hot billionaire werewolf!
Jokes aside, even "reasonable" standards are still something only like 5-10% of men could live up to. Even in lesbian and gay romance books you will find strange and unrealistic standards.
Humans just love dreaming about having a hotty in bed... Probably better if we don't encourage it, but catering to people's appetite sells better than selling something healthy... Ask any food industry.
It is because people make stuff mostly to make money or to make their own fantasies come "true". Hardly anyone out there is making media for "educational" purpose and where everything is realistic and proportional.
Hell that's just real life, we consume media to escape "realistic and proportional" because that's just ordinary and boring!
But... Quiet needs sunlight on her bare skin to live, so an almost naked sniper makes perfect sense! Think about women's health!!
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So stay away from AAA game studios, for so many reasons. Sorted.
Of course, but I am annoyed that they are doing it. It is wrong, at least for me, and so knowing that this keeps, and will keep happening doesnt help.
In "Satisfactory" the main character (The Pioneer) is dressed head to toe in a sort of spacesuit/coveralls/work boots combo. You can sort of tell that there might be a woman inside the suit.
Most men don't have hips like that.
This is true. To be fair, time spent looking at the pioneer is time not spent expanding the factory so I dont pay much attention.
women and men are sexualized in all sorts of media, unrealistically. and folks love it and folks also hate it, often the same folks who hate their gender being sexualized but love it when it's done to the gender they are attracted to.
why do you care so much about this to the point it is causing you self-negativity? do you like enjoy it and think you shouldn't?
As someone raised evangelical, this was me before realizing my honest attempt to live and breathe the Bible were incredibly self-destructive. When your life is ruled by guilt and shame, you end up despising the things that make you human.
One of my favorite games of all time is Neir Automata and I don't admit that to normies because it just makes me look like a fucking pervert because of how oversexualized 2B and A2 are.
It genuinely distracts from a beautiful story. It makes it less impactful.
Have you seen the incels? They have nervous breakdowns over peach fuzz.
There are counter examples
BG3 is a fabulous one. Asterion is sultry and seductive. Raphael is sexy as hell, and so is his succubus. TBH there was a lot of male nudity and sexiness.
Meanwhile, Karlach and Laezel are just badasses. Never once did I feel that squick from them being overly sexualized.
I feel like a hypocrite and a loser.
I don't think you're a loser, you have a valid point. It is a genuine issue. Check out this fucked up shit.
I would prefer equality over stifling content, however. Put the men in skimpy outfits and give them jiggle physics. Optionally make it possible to tone it down.
Not sure why an "off the chest" post would get downvotes (perhaps they suspect virtue signalling) but glad you shared.
For-profit companies and even indie devs gravitate toward the demand. I don't play many games that have this trait but even wow has its share of female thongs and chainmail pushup bras. The fact that its widely accepted and very rarely frowned upon let's you know that they e nailed their target demographic.
If it's third-person and I'm going to be staring at my character's ass for 30+ hours, might as well pick a nice one
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