Maturing : peoplebluesky

[-] NoTagBacks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 day ago

It's funny because I agree and disagree at the same time. I've had varying levels of "there's way more nuance to this" and "how the fuck is everyone complicating this???" throughout my life and have generally come to the conclusion that it's much more complex than that in that everything is both more nuanced and more simple at the same time because politics really is that stupid.

However, in getting involved in political circles and actually getting to know some legitimate decision makers toward the top, some of these fuckers are way more stupid than we think. Like, alarmingly so. I've had moments where some GOP dumbfuck is doing some evil shit and I'm like "I don't think they're doing this maliciously" and some of my more partisan left-ish friends get all offended think I'm defending them, when really it's so much worse; they're doing it because they're legitimately really fucking stupid... and they're part of world leadership. Don't get me wrong, some of them are both stupid and an asshole, but at the end of the day, people in general tend to get the overall picture of politics wrong because it's way more nuanced in how fucking stupid it is.

One more fun thought for y'all: many of the really dumb legislators I've met in the past predate the current GOP alignment. And you see how much dumber the current GOP is versus the GOP of not even a decade ago? Well...

[-] MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is the truth I see as well. I'm around a lot of upper crust events, old money decision maker millionaires. I'm taking pictures so I overhear a lot I probably shouldn't, literally the fly on the wall.

They are not doing things maliciously on purpose. It's more like what George Carlin said, it's a club and we ain't in it. They are ignorant to what the upper middle-class and below actually do and they really don't care to learn or can't grasp it. They do things based more on their perspectives in an echo chamber. They don't make friends outside that circle.

Ask them a basic question from highschool science and they will respond with a very wrong answer with absolute confidence. I've met homeless people on the street with more intelligence.

You have to experience things or work for them to gain any knowledge.

[-] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 day ago

Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.

[-] searabbit@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago

I think there's a word for that: negligence

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago

Yep. The older I get, the less of a distinction I see between the two. Stupidity and malice always seem to come hand-in-hand.

Evil geniuses and idiots with a heart of gold are mostly just Hollywood inventions. In the real world, intelligence and morality are highly correlated together.

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago

abraca-fuck-you.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

people respond to incentives.

that's all you need to know.

take the good and the evil, the smart and the stupid out of it, and it will make a lot more sense.

most people would be just as 'evil' as who you are talking about given they had the same levels of power. you false belief is that these people 'in power' are somehow superhuman and can resist the temptations and abuses that come with the power they have... they can't, and don't, and most folks are like that. it's exceptional when someone doesn't abuse their power.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

Nonsense. I'd build a perfectly fine utopia!

After culling that 99.9% of the troublesome population.

/jk

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

it’s exceptional when someone doesn’t abuse their power.

Which is what us anarchists have been trying to tell everyone forever.

Nobody can be trusted with power. Nobody. The only real solution is to prevent the accumulation of power in the first place.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

oh and how do you go about that exactly?

you guys are always going on about these big principles, but you never have actionable plans.

turns out pretty much ever social structure has power, or do you anarchists not have leaders and figure heads you all worship and adore and fight over who is best living the 'legacy' of who who are the 'true' anarchists... hmm almost as if your idealistic theory fails even among it's own adherents...

[-] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Most politicians do evil shit because the system of capitalism compels them to. There is no way to “win” capitalism without being evil. If you aren’t willing to do whatever it takes to win, you will inevitably be eaten by someone who is.

[-] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 43 points 1 day ago

i can never tell which is supposed to be the original and which the reply on these posts. the higher up one is the original? but it has a thread bar next to it?

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 day ago

Yeah it's fucking atrocious

[-] FundMECFS@piefed.zip 4 points 1 day ago

The one that’s been clicked on by the user is the one without the thread bar. Top to bottom is the order of posts.

[-] chisel@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago

Unless it's a retweet, then it's bottom-up for one and top-down for the rest.

[-] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence becomes, 'Why not both?'.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

it becomes "have you met my cousin ~~Kevin~~Maverick?"

[-] deacon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I think it comes from the realization that dispels so many assumptions you didn’t know you had.

The realization that nobody knows what they are doing.

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I actually think it’s more based on greed but yeah same.

Well that and racism.

[-] Jax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Greed is evil

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It’s nuance but yeah they are in the same family.

[-] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Oh I kinda hate this attitude. Like shit, even evil has lots of nuance to it. And understanding that nuance can help you oppose it, or protect yourself from it.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

True, but at a certain point the time and attention diverted into the nuances within evil becomes a big component of the banality part.

[-] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think the issue is people think "debatters" are operating in good faith. The nuances is for the crowd not for the grifters.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

and there's different kinds of evil, not just one.

[+] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

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[+] wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafe -19 points 1 day ago

Ah yes, black-and-white thinking on politics always leads to amazing results. Very mature \s

[-] nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 day ago

I'm sure the boot appreciates the necks nuanced approach to discourse.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The boot definitely appreciates you only pay attention to it and not the rest of the body pushing it down on your neck.

[+] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world -14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

nobody's boot is on your neck. other than the imaginary one you put on your own to make yourself feel like a victim.

but hey extremist analogies of oppression are a great excuse to indulge in your own shitty and evil behaviours, no? so why not run with it. you know who is the most oppressed in their own mind? the billionaires.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago

nobody's boot is on your neck. other than the imaginary one you put on your own to make yourself feel like a victim.

Unless you are at the top of any hierarchical structure, then someone's boot is on your neck even if you are too dumb to notice it.

you know who is the most oppressed in their own mind? the billionaires.

Yeah...... But their version of being oppressed is not getting to buy their third megag yacht. While other people's oppression is being put into a concentration camp. Most people have the ability to objectively measure the difference between the two.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago

nobody’s boot is on your neck.

lol, this is fucking wild for you to be telling people without knowing anything about their situation.

[-] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

oh and what situation is that?

I've interacted with folks here who told me their situation, and often it was just a series of their own poor life-choices. like this guy who told me he was oppressed because he wanted to be a music producer and AI stole his job... right buddy, right. it's that AI stole your job and not that you wanted to enter a professor where nobody makes any money... and rather than going and learning a useful skill you just sit around whining on the internet how your life is unfair if only the 'revolution' would come you'll be a successful music producer...

Yeah man, clearly it's 'the boot on my neck' that I am not a successful movie star! I was the star actor in my high school drama club! Clearly it was facism that stopped be from being a Hollywood movie star!

except no, i wasn't that stupid. I went to college, studied useful things, and built myself up through working part time gigs and then got a full time job and 20 years later I'm comfortable because of... making good choices and not wasting my life chasing 'dreams'. pretty much like... most everyone I know who didn't have social connections or rich parents...

[-] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I went to college, studied useful things

Maybe also study how society works. Not everybody can follow your lead.

[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

...yes. That is the point this post is making.

Bluesky