Many people do give some of their money or belongings to those less fortunate already. It's called charity. Socialists want to create a world where charity isn't necessary.
I think of it where charity is not optional. Seriously though there would be charities but for more niched things. Not to make sure vets (who get more healthcare than most of the country) get healthcare or children get healthcare. I swear the charity commercials from when I was a kid about children in africa are now about children in the us.
vets (who get more healthcare than most of the country)
You may be overestimating the quality of VA hospitals.
ETA: Just to clarify, I’m not trying to negate their point. I’m just mentioning that veteran healthcare isn’t actually all that great. There’s a good reason so many vets end up crazy and homeless in the US.
Literally any healthcare>>>No healthcare
There were times in my life that I would not go to the hospital unless I was literally dying for fear of the costs. A ton of people in the US are like that, and imagine how many ignore weird pains or symptoms that then progress into serious conditions that could've been treated if they'd have gotten checked out earlier.
This is one of the major contributing factors to the reduced cost for socialized healthcare: it is a lot less expensive to catch things early than to treat them later.
Ohhh, veterans.
I thought you had specific healthcare for veterinarians and I thought that was very niche
They would go to the VVA: Veterans Veterinarians Association
Not to be confused with the Veterinarian Veterans Association
you may be underestimating nothing.
Just to clarify I do agree with the point you were making. I was just commenting on the fact that veteran healthcare in the US isn’t actually that great, and not as easily accessible as some think it is.
oh I get it but honestly I have seen it in action and for a veteran living in a major area it seems light years above typical. Most things I hear come down to long term care facilities, which are bad for ones the poor end up in if not worse, and people living in the stix. Which again the poor there just are getting nothing. I was in no way trying to say what they get is great just that it is additional to what the non veteran gets. I see a lot of veteran and first responder thing (another profession with generally better benefits than average) and talking about wounds but I tell you its better to be shot as a first responder or veteran than as a teacher although even they tend to at least have benefits. Its real bad if you make your money in the gig economy.
Side note: Google is NOT your friend.
shoulda said DUCKDUCK
They're not really your friend either, just the enemy of your enemy for now.
That isn't what socialism is, but it is however exactly what Jesus told people to do. And yet she - a Christian - seems to hold the idea in contempt. Curious.
I don't love religion, but many churches do make some attempt to help the poor in the areas where they run.
There are a lot of churches that are closer to a mafia with intent and fees.
Dear Capitalists,
If you want capitalism so bad, be sure to "donate" a billion to the campaign of your favorite politician and use socialism to transfer wealth from the people to you without having to actually sell them anything, then use those billions to buy your own island...
Oh wait they are already doing that, sorry
"It's like investments, bailouts and subsidies but for people instead is companies."
Yeah, close enough.
Isn't that how people who decry socialism define it, not really how socialism actually works?
It's really more a description of welfare, which is something that can be utilized by socialism, but doesn't define it.
Yeah it's a massive straw man
Ask your average blue collar Republican voter what they hate about socialism and they will perfectly describe capitalism
"Well if you hate Hitler's genocide, we shouldn't all have to collectively do something about it. Buy your own gun, get yourself to Germany, and start fighting Nazis yourself!"
Google's my third biggest enemy.
Capitalism is LITERALLY forcing other people to give away all of their belongings.
In capitalism, you just don't have any remaining belongings to give away.
"Google is your friend."
It might be her friend but it isn't ours!
"build one big insurance company to provide coverage for everyone. And no gaps or deductibles. And they can't discriminate who's allowed to join. And let the government administrate it so a single company can't screw you over unfairly."
Wait, wait... Jesus Christ literally said that. No, seriously. It was something like, "if you want to follow me, surrender your Earthly possessions" and "A thief cannot rob your ephemeral wealth, unlike stuff in your house." Paraphrased poorly, but that's the gist of it.
I’m scared for our society, nobody willing to actually educate themselves outside of social media
It’s not “ignorance.” They know better. They pretend not to.
Trust me, most people actually not know how socialism or communism work, i tried to ask to many and everyone (except maybe 2 people) do not know what either of them are
Most people have a vague "the government tells you what to do in every aspect of life" sense of communism, and think socialism is like decaffeinated that.
If you come at it without using the words, and the audience is labor, you can usually get them on board. "If your boss doesn't even go into the office and makes seven figures off your work, and you make five, how does that feel?"
Of course, some people are so conservative they're happy to stay in their lower tier of the hierarchy.
I genuinely believe that most of the people who argue against socialism/communism like this have absolutely no idea what they actually are. Anything that isn't the status quo is immediately labeled socialism (communism if it's really different) and that means it's bad.
I mean the proof is in the pudding.
We can all see how the conservative "pull yourself up by your boostraps trickle down" ideology is (isn't) working for the majority of our society, including the vast majority of conservatives.
I'm not some tree hugging ultra-lib. But the bottom line is capitalism simply isn't sustainable. It causes rampant pollution and an ever-widening wealth gap between the haves and have nots. We haven't even been utilizing capitalism that long in the big picture and it's already absolutely catastrophic for our environment. It's just not sustainable. It needs to be HEAVILY regulated if it keeps existing at all. And one thing I know for absolute certain is you get the opposite of regulation when you hire conservatives/regressives.
Here, I'll give up all means of production that I personally own and aren't for personal use.
Done.
(Ok I'm not giving up my retirement account until we have an effective pension system because I'm not an idiot, but other than that done)
That's Buddhism, not socialism.
But hey, good news! This is America, which means you're free to whichever religious ideology you want, with no chance of persecution whatsoever.
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