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[-] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

This article is a nothing burger delivered by Springer media in my opinion. It cites three unnamed sources, and the announcement of a closer EU-Canada relationship can't be a 'surprise' for EU member states as Carney's government spent the last year mapping out possible new forms of relationship with the EU (and across the globel).

Canada will not become a full member in the near future, nor will it take part in the single European market nor a member of the Schengen area. Things like these take years. But these is not necessary now as Canada and the EU can collaborate far beyond the current CETA, e.g., with fastt-track travel access, a free(r) movement of people (as the EU agreed with Australia, allowing its citizens 4-year visas that doesn't require a job offer),

Canada and Europe can cooperate in defense (Ottawa wants into Britain's rapid-response defence club, as it has said), and align its regulatory regimes (it would be good for Canada's privacy laws as we can assume), alinging standards (pharmaceutical, financial services, ...), collaboration in critical minerals, energy, and so forth. There's a lot room imho, and its good that there are clear steps in this direction.

[-] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 1 points 3 hours ago

Torn on this.

On the one hand, it's great that Europe is building a coalition free(er) of US influence.

On the other hand, talking about admitting Canada and even possibly Australia as (pseudo) members despite being in no way Europe, certainly adds fuel to the perception that it's less "European Union", and more "White People Union".

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Makes sense. Von der Leyen seems to have come up with "associate membership" on her own with Carney. From an internal EU point of view, it is meaningless , there are no treaties defining it, so at this point it can mean nothing and anything. It also explicitly creates a multi-speed EU which is a controversial idea to being with, and is the clearest indicator that Von der Leyen just wished it half-baked into existence: they don't seem to have thought through what it means beyond Canada. Does Morocco become eligible for associate membership? Turkey?? What about the UK???

[-] saimen@feddit.org 2 points 4 hours ago

I guess she just wanted to send a message, especially to Trump.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago

Trump just threatened to tariff and cut trade with all of the EU. Here's to hoping she can back her words with some spine. But knowing her, I don't think so, sadly.

[-] RecursiveParadox@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago

Turkey will never be admitted to the EU so long as it continues to illegally occupy 1/3 of Cyprus. Cyprus will never vote to admit them until Turkey leaves.

And given Turkey's strategy of giving houses and land to uneducated and virtually skill-less peasants from the Anatolian highland, reintegration may never be possible anymore.

[-] AGM@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

She didn't just come up with it on the spot. It was leaked in advance of her delivering it, so it was clearly language selected with intent and then preserved with intent even after having been leaked and causing some controversy. What the intent is, we still don't know for sure, but it's obviously something carefully prepped even if it is not yet fully baked.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I didn't mean to say she improvised it on the spot. Just that what she said is not something that the EU actual movers and shakers (the member states leaders) have discussed and agreed upon. It comes from the Commission presidency, nothing more. It does shape public discourse of course and creates a "fait accompli" (the phrase is now out of the bag), but it can go down in history as "that thing Ursula said".

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 3 points 7 hours ago

Turkey has been waiting to joint for nearly 30 years, I think.

And the UK... Oh, the UK.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

Turkey waited so long they gave up. But History is not over.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 hours ago

They did? Understandable. I never really understood the problem but I always had an intuition it would be something regarding the constant friction with Greece.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It's complicated. Greece has historically actually been a huge proponent of Turkey's EU accession as a way of what we see as "taming" Turkish aggression and border-revisionism. That is still in some ways the official Greek position, although with Erdogan it looks ridiculously fantastical and instead our oligarchy is delusional enough to think that allying itself with Apartheid Israel against Turkey is a good long term strategy.

In Sarah Paine's maritime-vs-continental power, Greece has been trying to play the game of maritime power logic, i.e., prosperity through rules, whereas Turkey has been following more a continental power logic, that focuses on control of territory. So, the Greek strategy of engaging Turkey through the "web of rules" framework of the EU makes sense. There are however two wrinkles:

  • The Greek oligarchy has decided that hydrocarbons in the Aegean is going to be a source of wealth for them. So they also want to play the Turkish game of territory control. Turkey has escalated with the Blue Homeland doctrine.
  • In the short window of the early 2000s when Greece and Turkey were best buds, they decided to push for solving the Cyprus dispute in the EU. It led to the Annan Plan, and then Greek-Cypriot nationalists shit the bed.

But, frankly, the biggest actual opposition to Turkey's candidacy has always come from prissy Western Europeans who pearl clutch about a Muslim country becoming an EU member. And this became a self-fulfilling prophesy.

[-] RecursiveParadox@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago

Once Cyprus joined the EU all hope for admitting Turkey was utterly and completely lost.

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 hours ago

I remember reading an article many years ago, with the then very liberal turkish prime minister, where it was stated turkish people spent more time at the cafe than at the mosque and how the belief was more cultural than religious.

Times long past.

[-] bowreality@lemmy.ca 16 points 14 hours ago

Rumoured for weeks. How is that a surprise?

[-] newton@feddit.online 2 points 8 hours ago

Politico.EU 🤔 ,bye

[-] DeadEndLink@lemmy.ca 5 points 14 hours ago

Romanian wood corps are going to take an investment nose dive.

[-] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago

I egrly await what he says tomorrow.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 12 hours ago

He who? Trump?

Anyway, welcome to the Union, sorta. I hope this means we get better maple syrup availability here now. I... have little idea about what Canada's other unique exports are and I'm sure this agreement is mostly about trade.

[-] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 hours ago

I was talking Carney tRump can poop his diaper and scream, I do not care what Donny thinks.

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