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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.wtf/post/49143200

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/71629767

This is unacceptable. And I’m sick of all the fucking workarounds to maintain basic privacy.

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[-] Dadifer@lemmy.world 122 points 2 weeks ago

Nice of them to push everyone to Linux.

[-] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 58 points 2 weeks ago

Not gonna matter when apps and services start blocking Linux, or even worse, should this shit creep up the chain to the ISP level and should ISPs start requiring an Apple, Google, or MS OS just to get online to begin with.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 65 points 2 weeks ago

That’s when I buy a LoRa array and a ham license.

The thing about the Internet is that anyone can be an ISP and any devices can be networked. If consumer ISPs become gatekeepers, we can network without them. And then we can tunnel encrypted data over the official devices that can’t be fully locked down.

[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

when I buy a LoRa array and a ham license.

And talk to who? You (and I) and the 0.001% can ham it up, but the rest of the world will be living in a different bubble.

[-] dihutenosa@piefed.social 29 points 2 weeks ago

Talk to like-minded people - like you and me here, sitting on Fediverse, discussing tech. Help set family and friends up with access. That's what I do today with my Matrix server.

The rest of the world rarely have anything good to say.

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[-] random_character_a@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Well Meshcore only recently arrived here, but you can still reach Latvia from southern Finland. Not completely effortlessly though.

[-] Freeposity@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I'd like to kick most of the world out of my bubble anyway. Most people just annoy and depress me.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 8 points 2 weeks ago

And talk to who? You (and I) and the 0.001% can ham it up, but the rest of the world will be living in a different bubble.

And just talk btw, no bandwidth for anything else

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[-] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 11 points 2 weeks ago

LoRaWAN and HaLOW WiFi don't need HAM licenses unless you're just being prepared!

I'm looking to setup Meshcore myself for a 900MHz setup.

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah; the HAM is a “next step” thing for if they lock down the microwave band somehow.

But also, a HAM license is required to operate LoRa at higher power broadcast, at least in my country. At under 10km range low bandwidth, it isn’t currently needed.

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[-] Maiq@piefed.zip 16 points 2 weeks ago

My fear is that personal devices will be super expensive and out of reach for most people and the only devices available will be subscription run and cloud served only. Enfeebled portable device and no power to own or even run anything locally. Locked in! No way out.

That is why the tech bros are going all in on the datacenters and burning books. Setting fire to the bridge as they cross.

Ai is just the excuse and the manufactured scarcity of hardware is the weapon that they hope to use to hold us hostage.

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[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 61 points 2 weeks ago

Data hoard enough shit to get you through however many decades you have left and get off grid.

That's literally the only solution that's going to be left.

[-] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Not sure that is going to be a solution either. Have you seen HDD prices lately?

In the end, corporate buyers are cornering the market for self-use technology. Once the consumer market is gone, and habits change, there may be no going back since a new subscription market will be built and self-perpetuating. So I hope the AI bubble pops before that happens.

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[-] Wakko@hell.cloud 44 points 2 weeks ago

Y'all just cannot fathom how completely most people do not care until it directly impacts them personally.

[-] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 weeks ago

Shit even when it does impact them directly they still do nothing but accept it, while whining about it.

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I'm burned out being online anymore. It was fun and now it's not. It's just stressful

[-] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

I just run my own internet now, completely restricted to my own hosted websites and services. With hookers and blackjack.

[-] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Actually, forget the internet

[-] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I think all this regulation will make the internet small again. The pendulum will swing away from this terrible direction we've gone in. I'm okay with it. Let them ruin it. I know that there will still be places to go.

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[-] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

You can't demand anything from open source becasue I can just change the demands myself. Linux is free from this nonsense.

[-] chaospatterns@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

What I'm worried about is whether we'll be able to connect to anything else. With open source, sure you can remove age gates, but with device attestation coming to a device near you, you won't be he able to log into your favorite game or website.

Its already like that with CloudFlare randomly blocking my Firefox on Linux install occasionally.

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[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago

only until device attestation does not exist on the web. google has already tried to make it a thing, and the public backlash only caused them to continue development in chrome on android

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[-] neotheone@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

Stallman calls this “Service as a Software Substitute” (SaaSS): users operate weak “thin clients” while the real computing happens on someone else’s server. He argues this creates dependence and oppression because users cannot control, inspect, modify, or reliably access the software handling their data. He develops this argument in “What Does That Server Really Serve?” (2010).

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[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 weeks ago

I remember when consumers had power because they refused to buy things. Tech has power because no one will go without. Don't buy a new phone, computer, tablet, game. Make do with what you already have. Stop approving of everything Tech is doing by buying all their stuff regardless of the enshitification and spyware. Learn how to use cash again or whatever is necessary to stop empowering Tech.

[-] GolfFoxtrotLima@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

buy refurbished if possible

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[-] axh@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

If we are adding age verification, can we please accept that AI age should be calculated for each version separately? So the ChatGPT version X is only 2 years old and should only be allowed to watch Teletubbies

[-] Shin@piefed.social 12 points 2 weeks ago

My problema isn’t the age verification, but the privacy. But how to solve it the age without leaking data to third party servers?

[-] Zagorath@quokk.au 17 points 2 weeks ago

how to solve it the age without leaking data to third party servers?

Really easily. There are multiple possible options, not all equally easy, but the best option for privacy is also the easiest.

You don't do true age verification. You mandate that operating systems and browsers work out a parental controls API and require apps and websites support that API. Then you ask (if you really want, you could demand, but I'd prefer to ask or suggest) parents to ensure their kids' devices are configured correctly. When a user tries to access an age-restricted site, it calls an API in their browser, which calls an API in the OS, which returns a simple true/false value based on whether or not the current profile is configured to be old enough to access it.

Adults don't have to do anything to prove they are adults. Merely the fact that they were able to buy a device that they control and didn't get configured as a child is the proof.

More complicated solutions if you really insist on having true age verification could involve blinded signatures. I can explain in more detail if people are interested, but the slightly simplified TL;DR is that you have a system where the user goes to a trusted age verifier (my preference is for governments to do this themselves rather than farm it out to private companies, but either works). They do the age verification using ID, face recognition, whatever, and send the user a special token that they can use to prove they were age verified but which the site can't use to determine any personal details about the user. Meanwhile the age verifier doesn't know what site the age verification was just done for.

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[-] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

The problem is that the services are asking for age verification, but to do that, you need to supply them personal information, and the way the information is handled is opaque. You're handing highly sensitive information to a private company that, more often than not, cannot be trusted to handle that information responsibly for the singular purpose they're tasked with.

One solution would be an official government service which supplies this information and nothing else. We have "strong identification service" in Finland, they supply your identifying information to government services and businesses that need to have the actual information on record, while you see which information gets shared. There's no technical reason this service couldn't just supply "Is this person 18+? Yes/No" and absolutely nothing else, even anything tying this person to any identifier.

Actually, if age verification would become a legal requirement, I'd expect the technical side to be exactly that. I frankly can't believe the UK half-assed this stuff and went "whatever, let private providers use whatever voodoo they can come up with to make age verification happen".

[-] myrmidex@belgae.social 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I frankly can’t believe the UK half-assed this stuff and went “whatever, let private providers use whatever voodoo they can come up with to make age verification happen”.

Do you not have corruption in Finland?

Belgium's user verification app was built by a consortium of local banks and ISPs, most of which have politicians or ex-politicians on their boards.

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

been saying this for over a decade.

nobody cared then, nobody cares now.

the day I can no longer ensure my privacy is the day I abandon tech completely.

the day I can no longer live daily without technology is the day I abandon society.

[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Or just use a sensible OS that you control.

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[-] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago

What is stopping me from paying a homeless dude to help me set up my computer by using their face?

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[-] herculeskan@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago

I hope I. The future, laptops bring Linux by default

[-] phx@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Assuming age ID wasn't invasive and stupid to begin with, there could be other ways to set it that would be much less invasive for many devices, such as setting an "IS_ADULT" flag on devices (or even an associated account) at the time of registration.

"Hey Mr Smith, it looks like you've never registered a device on our phone network before but you've got a driver's license from 1979 so we'll just set the age code on your account aaaand, done".

Then you get a sheet of random scratch-off AV codes pulled from a drawer that you can use on other shit, similar to how VPN providers do to separate payment vs login. Nothing should ever say who you are or even your age, just "hey this person is old enough, fuck off and let them at it".

It's still annoying, but less privacy invasive. And it'll never fly because what they really want is to tie all communication back to a person not just an age.

[-] story@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

i need old thinkpad

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