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submitted 4 hours ago by scrodumb@lemmy.ca to c/cooking@lemmy.world

Hi everyone, I'm scrodumb and I am a retail butcher and sausage maker in Toronto, Canada.

My culinary experience extends far beyond that but these days my specific interests are mostly meat and meat processing. Starting to get into charcuterie and expanding my sausage repertoire into fermented, cured, smoked and emulsified products. Will be making my first coppa and pancetta this coming week. Have some Cantonese style lap cheong drying too.

I'm happy to help with any meat related questions or troubleshooting, feel free to ask here or message me directly. Love bouncing ideas back and forth especially with other foodheads.

A couple weeks ago I ordered a half hog of Meishan pork for myself and made a bunch of sausages for my friends and family. The pic is my personal versions of Barese sausage (coiled) and Chipolatas (breakfast sized links). Both are super popular and I'm happy to share the formulations if anyone is interested. I have dozens more sausage formulations too, just ask. I can turn nearly any red sauce pizza recipe into a sausage. Hawaiian absolutely SLAPS. Other dishes too. I created a Cubano sausage that tastes just like the sandwich.

I'll try to post every week or two but seriously if you have any meat related queries hit me up I'm always happy to help. Next post will likely be some tips and tricks I've learned and discovered in my journey.

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[-] micgerne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 16 minutes ago

do you have any recommendations for grinders/stuffers? I tried using the kitchenaid attachments and they were beyond useless.

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 minutes ago

Purpose built machines for both tasks.

LEM has a solid reputation amongst home cooks and hobbyists but Hakka Bros/MEAT/whatever other brand the Chinese factory wholesales to are perfectly viable options too. If I had to buy my own gear for home use I'd go with Hakka/MEAT Chinese gear.

The hobbyists all agree you should "buy once, cry once" with this hobby. Get the size up from what you need now so you can scale up production in a year without buying new machines.

If you eat a lot of sausage it pays itself off quickly.

[-] Dayroom7485@lemmy.world 5 points 52 minutes ago

I associate sausages with ultra processed foods & low quality meats and generally avoid buying them at the supermarket.

Looking at your post, it seems like that’s not the sausage’s fault though — so where do I get high-quality sausages from? Also, are there sausages you recommend for fitness-aware folks, that are higher in protein and lower in fats?

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 1 points 24 minutes ago

Most independent butcher shops will make their own sausages in house. Feel comfortable asking about ingredients and what specific cuts end up in the grind.

Poultry sausage is the leanest and lowest salt percentage. I prefer turkey over chicken but both can be great.

[-] Tom@lemmy.world 1 points 13 minutes ago

I’m happy to help with any meat related questions

How do I make a great chorizo? and is there any way to skip the nitrates?

[-] Fizz 2 points 35 minutes ago

Excuse me what do you mean by "I can turn any red sauce pizza into a sausage". I'm a huge fan of Hawaiian pizza and you seem to be suggesting this can be sausaged? How is that possible does it have dough.

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 2 points 18 minutes ago

Everything but the crust. I don't use binders or fillers.

Ingredients are salt, pepper, tomato paste (neutralized with baking soda), dried oregano, chili flakes, ham or cooked bacon, high temp mozzarella (I make my own) and canned pineapple. There's some nuanced technique beyond that but it's literally a Hawaiian pizza on a bun.

[-] Fizz 1 points 4 minutes ago

That sounds so good. I hope one day this technology makes it to new Zealand

[-] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 6 points 1 hour ago

Ay, I dont have a question right off but we're glad you're here! ☺️❤️

[-] ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago

Over the last couple years I've been working my way through Marianski's book along with Duncan Henry's Marianski March series on his Youtube channel.

Mistakes have been made.

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Marianski is awesome. I've been watching a lot of Duncan Henry stuff lately too, he's great for technique and general knowledge and also a fellow hoser. Every October Two Guys And A Cooler does a Celebrate Sausage series on YT with a new recipe every day. I'm submitting several for next year.

Another sausage great is Len Poli. He's a bit more advanced but I make versions of his formulations and they're all excellent.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago

I like Eric's recipes as well, been watching him for a couple years now, too. Hopefully we see something from you in that series, it's usually a good watch.

I was just down in Rimbey a few weeks ago and meant to drop in to DH Meats and say hi to Duncan, but ran out of time. Next time.

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago

I'll keep ya posted if he chooses one of mine next year. I'm leaning towards my Hawaiian Pizza sausage but I have so many viable options it's hard to choose.

The pizza ones are great though, its a base formula once you learn you can easily add whatever "toppings" and make any pie you want. I did Canadian Pizza for Canada Day this year, Supreme/Triple Crown is next.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 14 points 3 hours ago

I’m not even sure I know what to ask!

Let’s start with something, though….What are your favorite cuts to work with… and what do you with them?

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 hours ago

Beef I like the boneless blade section. Poor man's ribeye, Denver steak, stir fry (poor man's flank steak right beside the Denver), plenty of stew and burger. I usually braise large chunks of stew and pull it, I make wicked "carne asada" nachos with it. My favourite cut to cook and eat is the very first chuck end ribeye, failing that a nice 1.5" striploin or a bavette if it's for lunch. Making prime rib roasts is fun. For charcuterie I'm interested in using the "baseball" muscle from the sirloin to make basturma.

Pork I use whole shoulder for sausages mostly but I'm partial to the midloin chop when it comes to eating. The t-bone pork chop. I like it 1.25" thick. Heritage breed aged for two weeks is God tier chops. I usually go for Mangalitsa breed but our farm didn't have any this time so they sent me Meishan and I'm impressed. Meishan fat is pork fat properties but closer to beef fat flavour. Wow. I have tons of pork products planned in the pipeline. Deli meats, charcuterie, smokies etc.

Lamb I only eat rib or loin chops but use everything for sausage. I LOVE processing lamb racks but unfortunately market conditions led our shop to order them pre-cleaned. Every chance I get I'll clean and french a lamb rack. It's fun.

Chicken is all about the thigh for me. Breast meat is trash these days. North America has overbred our hens to the point they're stacking breast meat TWICE as fast as ten years ago. Problem is the heart can't pump oxygenated blood to the muscle fast enough so the collagen doesn't develop and the spaghetti-sized muscle fibres split apart and look and eat like crap. Thighs are still excellent, almost impossible to overcook and full of flavour. Wings when I'm entertaining (fried in schmaltz ofc). Leg drumsticks when I'm cooking just for me or for staff meal.

Turkey. Don't get me started. It's stupid for every reason imaginable. BUT I am going to make turkey bacon at work soon for the first time and I'm optimistic. Last Thanksgiving I made a turkey breast roulade stuffed with turkey sausage. Year prior it was a spatchcocked bird brined overnight in saltwater and liquid smoke. Divine. This year my brother is cooking it but I'll provide the bird and brine it in the smoke brine again. When I eat turkey I prefer sausages. I make amazing turkey sausages (I leave the skin on when I grind). I find nearly any formulation I use for beef or pork works just as well with turkey. I make a wicked turkey pepperoni that doesn't require fermenting. Mustard powder replaces paprika and bacteria culture to retain the tangy notes.

Aside from the odd custom order that's the bread and butter of what I enjoy at work.

[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 3 points 2 hours ago
[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago

Thanks for sharing!

Always good to meet another sausage maker. So cool those euro recipes are being produced in Korea and they look delicious!

I make a bulgogi beef sausage at work. Still trying to perfect it before I share the details but it's one of my favourites.

[-] Red0ctober@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

I know not even enough to ask questions. So where do I get started with curing meats?

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

Learn what cuts make good cured versions. Pork belly is an excellent starting point.

Get cure salt and optionally a cure accelerator. I use sodium erythorbate but it isn't required.

Tons of tutorials and recipes online, I'm just getting into it so I can't recommend one over another but Two Guys And A Cooler (website and YT channel) is where I began.

You'll need some consumables, whether it's natural or synthetic casing or a collagen dry aging wrap. You can also get dry aging vac bags but they're not the greatest.

Then finally a cure chamber. For some stuff I'll use the cold cellar at my dad's house, for others a standard refrigerator is just fine.

Curing meat is scientific and you MUST be precise with ratios of cure salt, accelerator as well as everything else. Learning the difference between a recipe and a formulation is beneficial as the latter you can tailor to any raw weight and reproduce the same result time and time again. Everything is a percentage or ratio based on raw weight. Cure #1 is 0.25% to 0.3% depending on region. Sodium erythorbate is half that. Everything else has wiggle room based on personal tastes. In my experience less is often "more".

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Hi I’d put your meat in my mouth so call me if you’d like.

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 hours ago

My sausage already has a local fanclub, you'll have to do a bit better than that🤣

I’ll tickle your meatballs if you get my drift.

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 hours ago

With a username like that I can't say no.

Okay.

I want a bear and moose sausage seasoned with onion, garlic and pepper.

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Depending on the season you'll want either more bear or more moose. Either way you'll need to add pork fat. Aim for a 70/30 lean to fat ratio grind. Use more bear meat if they're still on berries and more moose if the bear is already on salmon. Grind half the meat once, the other half twice. Grind the fat once. All from near frozen temp.

Beyond that you're looking at something like this:

  • 1.8% kosher salt
  • 0.2% white pepper
  • 0.2% black pepper
  • 1.5% fresh garlic, ultra fine dice
  • Coarse diced onion, sweated with brown sugar (I use 2-4 small yellow onions for 10 lbs meat)

You can also do 0.4% garlic powder and 0.3% onion powder but that will taste more like a breakfast sausage than an entree.

You could replace the onions with 0.3% dried marjoram and have a nice game meat kielbasa for the smoker.

If that was merely more innuendo you should know it's an otter sausage, portioned like an elk's, natural casing and unseasoned.

This is innuendo what I disclosed to you was a secret family recipe.

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

Haha okay how close was I to the ancient family version?

Close but a little less semen.

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

I'll add it at 3% next time. The lecithin content will improve emulsion.

🤮

Your fancy words make me think you’re a city boy and I’ve never got a hummer from a full set of teeth before.

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

Whoa whoa whoa..you said you'd put my sausage in your mouth. We never discussed reciprocation.

Deal's off.

My mama always said what’s good for the goose is good for the gander and if the gander’s gonna be a little bitch you hunt that motherfucker down.

[-] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

Do you cook that Barese whole in the coil in a pan or baked in the oven as a coil or is that just how it looks after you process it?

For this Cubano sausage are you using toasted breadcrumb filler to make the sausage taste like taking a bite into a sandwich or just the meat, pickle, cheese, mustard mix in sausage form?

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 hours ago

I cook the barese as a whole coil. Pan fried or charcoal grilled. When we sell it at the shop the owner prefers I make links but I'll do coils on request no problem. Coils are the traditional style.

The Cubano is everything but bread. It's meant to be eaten on a buttered and toasted sausage roll. Ground pork, salt, pepper, mustard seed, mustard powder, ham, pulled pork, Gruyere cheese, pickles. This formulation took years to perfect and was the reason I began researching proper sausage craft. Without it this post wouldn't exist. I'll share a proper Cubano post next time I make it and include my technique for making any cheese a "high temp" sausage cheese.

[-] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 2 points 30 minutes ago

You should work on a Monte Cristo sausage. Swiss cheese, brown sugar ham, maple wood smoked turkey sausage served on an pan fried egg dipped sausage bun.

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 minutes ago

I do a Chicken Cordon Bleu that is halfway there already. I've thought about doing a Full Monty but other ideas jumped queue.

[-] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 hours ago

Is it true I don't want to know how the sausage is made?

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 hours ago

Hahaha. Not here. I work in an open shop so everyone can walk back to the window and watch us cut and work. Kids are fascinated watching me make sausage. We have milk crates I'll setup so the younger ones can see over the half wall.

I wouldn't trust a mass produced sausage. The amount of waste I remove...there's a reason we charge more than factory sausage.

[-] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago

What all is in the category of "waste" that you remove?

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Skin, bone, excess fat, fascia and ligament, glands and lymph nodes, traces of organ meat, blood clots, hair...

Factory lines will add excessive binders, gluten fillers, potassium sorbate (I could be mistaken but it's SOMETHING similar) to increase water absorption...and thus excess water, all kinds of off cuts ("lips, hooves and assholes" is the meme but it's not quite that gross in reality). Plus they're grinding and combining meat from thousands of animals from dozens of sources which increases the need for treatment and preservatives. All my sausage meat comes from one farm and week to week it's all from one harvest. Much easier quality control.

[-] treadful@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 hours ago

Wish we had decent butchers here. Lots of ranch land, no butchers. Sad.

Will be making my first coppa and pancetta this coming week.

This is a long process, yeah? Keep us updated?

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 hours ago

The pancetta is tiny, it'll be ready pretty quickly. The coppa is whole and will take a month or two.

I will absolutely post when I begin and again what I glean.

[-] rimu@piefed.social 7 points 4 hours ago

I appreciate your enthusiasm, welcome!

[-] scrodumb@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 hours ago

Thanks.

I can't wait to share the lap cheong post. Expect it mid October, after our Thanksgiving. My first time making it but I'm already planning a Szechuan version for next time.

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