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[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 246 points 1 week ago

The reasoning behind it:
"Lack of Proof for Severe Negligence: Under Dutch law (Artikel 6 Wegenverkeerswet), a heavy prison sentence for a fatal traffic accident requires proof of gross negligence or recklessness (schuld)."

"No Evidence of Excessive Speed: Investigators could not legally prove that the driver was speeding excessively or that speed was the definitive cause of the vehicle losing control."

"Lesser Offense Applied: The court convicted him under a lighter traffic article (Artikel 5) for failing to keep his vehicle under continuous control rather than aggravated manslaughter or fatal recklessness, which capped the legal punishment guidelines significantly."

The original 120-hour sentence was itself overturned upon appeal in September 2015. The higher appeals court concluded that excessive speed was legally proven, sentencing the driver to 15 months in prison and a four-year driving ban.

In 2020 the traffic laws were overhauled to increase penalties and expand what constituted reckless driving. A penalty points system was also implemented.

[-] jdr@lemmy.ml 59 points 1 week ago

What a high quality comment. Whatever they're paying you, it isn't enough.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

don't worry. whatever he's being paid for that service, I'll double it!

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[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 194 points 1 week ago

If you want to get away with murder, do it with a car.

[-] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 130 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Looking at you Anne Sacoolas, a name that should be infamous throughout the Western world.

For those who don't know, this piece of crap was driving on the wrong side of the road after leaving a US base in the UK and through her extremely negligent driving killed a teenager on a moped. Instead of answering for her crime, she fled like the spineless excuse for a human being she is back to the US on a diplomatic passport. Seeing as we're basically America's Belarus, she never got close to seeing the inside of a British prison and the US actively refused to send her back. If you work for US intelligence you are literally allowed to kill British people in cars with impunity, they'll even come out and bat for you when you're caught.

There may be no hell but I hope the rest of her days are as close to it as possible, but her actions reveal a callous moral vacuum of a person who no doubt only feels good about getting away with it. Shame on her name forever, shame on the US government for protecting her, and shame on the British government for folding like tissue paper instead of heeding its duty to seek justice for its citizens.

[-] yucandu@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

They also didn't go after Russia after they used weapons of mass destruction on British soil.

Rich people don't care as long as it's not their money being hurt.

[-] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Don't even get me started, in another age the negligence with respect to Russia and its influence would be tantamount to treason. In my view Burnham must restore confidence by doing the Russia Report properly.

Also morbid fact, when I took my A-level in physics a question on the paper involved the murder of Litvinenko by the Russian government. If I remember correctly, the question was about the nature of alpha radiation and its property of being relatively benign outside the body but disasterous to inhale or ingest, plus some calculations on the dose the poor bastard was exposed to.

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[-] brax@sh.itjust.works 113 points 1 week ago

I assume she won't give him any punishment... If vehicular homicide is 120h community service, and the chair this guy threw didn't even hit anything, I mean.

[-] Soulphite@reddthat.com 78 points 1 week ago

She will give him 10 years for attempted murder on public official.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 15 points 1 week ago

You're probably right. I don't think it's a matter of a judge punishing him just like that. He will probably have a trial and some other judge with sentence him.

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[-] Takashiro@lemmy.today 87 points 1 week ago

If in that position I don't think I would throw a chair at her , first I would go deal with the guy that killed my family and is out on the street...

If the judicial system can't provide an adequate solution, eventually people will just solve things themselves. Which to some extent already happens, depending where you live

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 79 points 1 week ago

That's exactly right... the quickest way to get a normal, law abiding citizen, to become a "terrorist" is to take his family and deny him justice

[-] noughtnaut@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I've been in that sort of position. I'm continually struggling. Maybe it's the adhd talking, but the absence of justice is truly aggravating.

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[-] RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 1 week ago

Or just run over the judge with your car. You'll only get 120hrs of community service.

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[-] yakko@feddit.uk 72 points 1 week ago

Totally out of bounds. They should have hit the judge with a car, obviously

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Probably would've gotten a lighter sentence

[-] nullspace@lemmy.world 71 points 1 week ago

The easiest ways to get away with murder is to hit someone with your car or be a cop.

[-] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 20 points 1 week ago

And I wonder why I have so much anxiety while driving while other fuckers seem to be totally cool being insane.

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[-] Wilco@lemmy.zip 71 points 1 week ago

Necessary contempt of court is awesome and rarely heard of. Chair throw was justified.

[-] markstos@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago

A friend of mine, Jessica Bullen was killed by a driver looking at the roof of their mouth in the rearview mirror when he plowed into her. The facts were not dispute. No jail time for the driver.

[-] AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 1 week ago

I would run her down in my car for the low low cost of 120 hours of community service

[-] D_C@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 week ago

Crikey, if I were that judge I'd be very cautious for the rest of my life for handing out such a sentence.

Can the parents/family appeal? Because if not then life isn't worth much.

[-] Yucky_Dimension@lemmy.world 61 points 1 week ago

The driver got 15 months in jail and a 4 year driving ban in the end. Which is still pretty low, especially since the article said he didn't show any sign of remorse.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Shit like this is why a TV series like Dexter could exist. Some people are walking around just fine with themselves after committing a heinous act. If it was an accident, fine, don't hate yourself forever, forgive yourself eventually, but showing no signs of remorse is something only a trashfire of a person could do

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

And i can understand that father 100%.

[-] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So odd that this thing that happened 12 years ago is getting the rounds so effectively right now. All over reddit and of course all over Lemmy too. Really shows how easy it is for repost bots to control narratives.

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A couple of weeks ago a 19 year old got 8 months prison for killing a pregnant woman with his car. He was going 120 in a 50 km/h zone. The Dutch judicial system is way too lenient when it comes to sentencing man slaughter by car.

https://www-moordplekken-nl.translate.goog/nieuws/ali-a-19-veroordeeld-8-maanden-cel-doodrijden-zwangere-vrouw-toepad-rotterdam?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[-] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago

Why does it matter if there was speeding involved or not? You killed cyclists, it shouldn't matter how that happened. Only exception would be intended or not.

[-] nwtreeoctopus@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because it does matter how it happened. Most legal systems, as well as most people's moral judgements on the issue, are going look at the totality of the circumstances.

Someone going 3x the speed limit is creating a more dangerous situation and should face a higher penalty than someone who was, say, following all the rules but sneezed and accidentally hit a cyclist.

It doesn't feel reasonable to say someone who gets wasted and swerves into a cyclist has the same degree of responsibility as someone who fails to see the victim. Both bad, but drunky made worse choices and introduced more danger. Similarly, speeders have less time to react, lower levels of control, and have exponentially increased the impact forces in a crash.

Obviously, intentionally hitting someone and killing them is the worst but personal choices that increase risk raise culpability.

[-] Avicenna@programming.dev 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Indeed, he killed while going %150 over the speed limit. That should be considered reckless/gross negligence manslaughter and shouldn't be punished with just community service. It should be punished with jail time and they should make public service announcements out of events like this so people don't act like idiots.

I suppose if the offender was an immigrant, they would make him bleed out of his ass.

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[-] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

2013?!

It took 13 years from incident to sentencing! Jesus!

[-] Piatro@programming.dev 52 points 1 week ago
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[-] EpeeGnome@feddit.online 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

From the linked articles, the killing took place in 2013, the sentencing and chair throw happened in 2014, and in 2015 an appeals court changed the sentence to 15 months in prison.

Edit: From another linked article, he fled to the UK but was extradited to Netherlands to serve the sentence in 2016, and in 2017 he was given early release to travel to Poland for the birth of his own child.

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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 16 points 1 week ago

Watch him get a worse punishment, too. (Not saying what he did is okay.)

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

at his sentencing he could say "I'm sorry, I've learned my lesson. next time, instead of throwing a chair, I'll run over the judge's family instead, since that'll only get me 120h of community service."

[-] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Maybe judges should get some accountability for letting murderers get away with murder

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