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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago

There's a lot of people who don't learn anything from history because they just assume everyone in the past was stupid/evil, and then when they're faced with similar problems they make similar choices based on similar reasoning, thinking the situation is completely different. Because past people's concerns about what might happen were stupid because we know that didn't happen, but my concerns about what might happen are totally valid. And then add in that current events tend to have much more active propaganda surrounding them.

Like, it's very easy to look back at Vietnam and see it as the war of aggression that it was, but people would turn around and look at Afghanistan and say, "We're just defending their government and trying to build democracy," when Vietnam also had a puppet government to "defend." Anyone who opposed leaving Afghanistan would have opposed leaving Vietnam for the exact same reasons. But, because they don't understand why people supported the Vietnam War, they can't recognize the same line of reasoning in their own thoughts.

Really understanding history means understanding why people thought the way they did, and being removed from their cultures and conditions, you have to "steelman" their positions to understand the deeper idea, or else you learn nothing from their mistakes.

[-] Damage@slrpnk.net 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They did not have the SYSTEMS we have. I don't think ANYONE traveling back in time would be able to build, say a functioning gun by themselves. Chemistry, metallurgy, etc, both as sciences and engineering fields just weren't there to supply the necessary parts.

[-] waxrhetorical@feddit.dk 9 points 4 days ago

I've thought about this casually quite a few times. Provided you can get over the language barrier, and people don't just label you as insane, finding the academic elite of the country you're in and explaining to them what you know, you could rocket that country ahead of the rest of the world over a couple of decades.

That's actually an interesting problem:

How would you convince a group of Renaissance-era intellectuals that you are from the future and have unique knowledge?

You need some scientific fact or discovery you could show them, that they don't already know, that can be proven quickly using relatively simple tools and equipment. Or you need some revolutionary invention you can build, again quickly with very few resources.

Sure, I know a lot of scientific facts and information. If made the chief scientific/economic advisor to some Renaissance-era king or ruler, I would be able to substantially advance that country rapidly. But imagine being some rando today trying to get yourself a high-level position on a president's cabinet. Imagine trying to just talk your way into that, while having no prior connections at all.

Yes, if put in charge of a historical country I could work wonders. But forget running the country, how do you even get past the palace gate? Imagine walking up to the residence of any president or prime minister today and trying to talk your way in the door by telling them, "I'm from the future and am here to rapidly advance your nation's technology. Please let me in to talk to your president/prime minister."

[-] hraegsvelmir@ani.social 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Renaissance could actually make it a bit easier to at least demonstrate you have knowledge they don't, as long as you don't pop up too early. If you show up after New World crops have already started popping up in Europe, yoe could demonstrate how tomatoes are safe to eat, provided you don't serve them on dishes or with utensils that they could leach toxins out of.

It also helps mitigate the language barrier if you already speak a modern form of a Romance language and managed to get dropped in a territory where its predecessors were spoken.

Of course, if you go further back in time, I think both aspects get increasingly difficult. Unless this is the first isekai story with a middle aged German academic as the protagonist, I doubt anyone would be remotely prepared to communicate if they got sent back to Anatolia and had to speak Hittite, or something. Then, the pool of candidates with a solid background in the appropriate dead languages gets reduced even further when you filter out those who also lack the technical expertise to be able to explain how to recreate some part of modern technology from scratch, including all the necessary backgrounds processes needed to have the basic technical foundation necessary to be able to implement the thing you know.

If I find myself in that sort of situation, I know I'd be explaining electricity or something and get asked, "How do you get the electricity to start with?". And I would either have to say "Go kidnap some lightning," or "You pay the power company and then flip the light switch." Neither of which are very helpful.

I figure my best bet is somehow getting to the New World first, and bringing back the necessary ingredients so I can invent tacos and burritos, revolutionizing cuisine with a sudden surge of Mexican food options in China or something during ancient history.

[-] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

There was an xkcd about this, or maybe a vsauce thing, where you could locate a lost relic using that post or something.

Stuff like the titanic, the rosetta stone, etc

[-] NightFantom@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 days ago

Michael vsauce and Hannah Fry's podcast "the rest is science", I literally saw that episode yesterday!

[-] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You can basically recreate all modern maths in one book (or scroll) without any expertise outside that field, and become another Euclid (or the first Euclid, if you happen to end up earlier than him).

It did take people an embarrassing long time to figure out you can, despite it being irrational, still put pi on a number line.

[-] Senal@programming.dev 6 points 4 days ago

You could fairly easily build a single working gun analogue, it just wouldn't be even close to the guns of today.

Though the difficulty, would vary greatly depending on the components you have to hand in the time-period you landed

The mechanism of a shotgun or musket is relatively simple.

Granted , the black powder chemistry is a bit tricky and requires intermediate chemistry steps AFAIK.

If you needed to do metallurgy from scratch that would increase the estimation by a lot.

[-] terranoid@lemmy.cafe 4 points 4 days ago

People overestimate the complexity of guns. Take bronze age metallurgy culture and add black powder and the idea of putting a bronze bullet in a bronze tube with that powder, and you have muskets super early.

That would be honestly fucking crazy and an interesting alternate history, Romans failing to conquer an early musket Carthage

[-] Electric_Druid@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

How directly yet eloquently said. Any idea of the source?

[-] skibidi@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

The current conception of 'progress' took centuries to spread. Current challenges aside, we tend to think of the future as being better than the past - we'll know more and be able to do more.

The prevailing view in most of the world for most of human history was one of decline from a once-glorious past. The future was seen as uncertain, and either static or apocalyptic ('the end of days' thinking was very common across cultures with written records).

I'd argue a big reason why there has been so much advancement in the last few centuries is precisely because we realized it is possible. The idea of progress has been somewhat self-sustaining. We'll see if it continues - personally I feel like we have hit diminishing returns for things that meaningfully impact daily life.

[-] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

I think there have always been people who wanted to make progress, but the "boohoo we used to build pyramids" crowd is extremely vocal and over represented, even today

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I think that the lowest hanging fruit for new science and technology right now is in psychology. Once mainstream academia realises that belief is an independent variable that can be manipulated, we're gonna see some awesome mental technologies. This is what chaos magicians already do. But chaotes are an underground culture with few resources. I want to see what psy-tech (magic) can do when it's mainstreamed.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

Applies to stone age people with spears just as much.

[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Applies to children who play Roblox.

this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2026
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