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[-] Undoobitably@fedinsfw.app 3 points 3 days ago

Plenty of other, more concrete evidence that (the abrahamic) god doesn't exist. But hey, if that's what convinces you then kudos.

[-] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

"Only the good die young" -William Martin Joel

[-] DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

JD Vance decided to send him an email or smt

[-] shittydwarf@piefed.ca 58 points 1 week ago

This is the bad timeline, evil is rewarded

[-] orenj@leminal.space 46 points 1 week ago

Other than god not existing? God is malignant

[-] spankysalmon@fedinsfw.app 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

With the way Christians and similar preach? Yea, God's a psychopath and so are they.

Though there are several theologically sound explanations, especially if you truly believe "God" is beyond or bigger than our universe.

Basic believer: "God works in mysterious ways". Sure, that Harlequin baby only ever had a miserable existence, but that's because their soul didn't need to experience a full life! Sure, your school teacher only ever did good works and then got ran over by a truck, but God thought it was her time!

More logical theology: God is bigger than the universe. He sees the whole thing. If something bad happens, then it is merely a wrinkle, or if you believe in divine guidance, it's a tragectory change to something better. Either way, God's not helping you, because what you want makes for a worse over-all universe. Or, if you want to be more literal about it, maybe God doesn't necessarily have the power to truly magic something. Maybe he cannot instantly change an exact, single detail about this universe, yet created it, could destroy it, and has enough control to drastically change things? Like a video game dev seeing how their Sims playthrough plays out.

Deeper theology: We're here to be tested/checked/validated/etc. God said he gave us the answers, not that he'll do the test for us. Besides, if we were instructed to take care of something (like Earth, or your personal life), why in the ever loving FUCK would you expect someone else to do the job you were told to do? Nobody is going to be happy to have to step in to fix something you fucked up, especially when they were the ones who put you on the job to take care of it in the first place.

Deeper science fiction: How would such a great being even begin to care about the individualities of creatures even lesser than ants to him as ants are to us? It's not hard to imagine someone caring deeply about their creation, but not really caring about exactly how the tiny details come out for every single detail. Like a single piece of glitter falling off your child's art piece, an individual life is meaningless so long as the whole picture remains.

Mix and match those views to your heart's content, and I've heard all of them and more growing up in a church. Bunch of intellectually weak clowns unwilling to admit religion is just Baby's First Philosophy...

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[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Forking shirtballs, we're in the bad place!

[-] Murse@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago

We're in the only place, unfortunately.

[-] cattywampas@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The theological explanation from Catholic dogma would be along the lines of God doesn't really interfere with the day-to-day goings on of the world.

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[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 week ago
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[-] platypode@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago
[-] susieq0044@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Thanks, looks interesting!

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[-] just2look@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago

You're talking about the same god that let Satan torture Job to win a bet. Even in Christian doctrine, god doesn't give a fuck about people. He just wants obeisance.

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He sent his own son to be tortured because he was too much of a coward to go himself, and that's supposed to be laudable!?

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Yes, but also he is his own son so he did send himself. I will not be taking any further questions

[-] Murse@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 week ago

This always boils down to the Epicurean Paradox.

So, most religious mythology (including Christianity) defines its god as 3 absolutes:

  • All good (not a shred of evil)

  • All powerfull (its will is our reality, period)

  • All knowing (it's fully conscious of literally everything that happens in its universe)

So how is it that evil can exist? Cuz we can see that clear as day, everywhere. God either...

  • is aware of it, has the ability to stop it, and chooses not to, in which case it is not all good.

  • is aware of it, wants to stop it, but doesn't have the ability to, in which case it isn't all powerful.

  • Has the power and desire to stop it, but isn't aware it's happening, in which case it isn't all knowing.

Every single attempt to answer the Epicurean paradox does so by rugpulling one of the three pillars and presenting god as instead only being two of those absolutes. (and if anyone reading this takes that as a challenge, feel free to give it a go).

How can this be explained, other than God doesn’t exist?

Either Christianity and most other religions are being deliberately dishonest about the nature of their gods, or, as you said, god doesn't exist.

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[-] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Anyone whos actually read the bible knows the christian god is a violent genocidal sociopath. It only makes sense he would reward that behavior.

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[-] SippyCup@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

God doesn't care, or God doesn't know.

If he knows, but does not care, then he is not good.

If he cares, but does not know, then he is not god.

If this is part of the plan, then God is evil.

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.today 14 points 1 week ago

God is obviously malevolent. All of his conservative representatives being evil should be a clue.

[-] hansolo@lemmy.today 8 points 1 week ago

I think it makes more sense to say Yahweh is malevolent. It started off as a god of thunder and war, and when the ancient Judeans moved from a polytheist pantheon to a monotheist model, that's who the groups that won had chosen as their god.

But yeah, name a single diety directly responsible for more death and destruction? It literally pits 3 and a half groups that worship it against each other! To generate war. To generate death. It feeds on death and pain.

[-] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

There's no indication that God would be good. In the Bible, David did something bad so God had 10 of his wives raped as punishment. He ordered genocide, specifically including that suckling children were to be killed. He does a lot of bad shit. Maybe he's real and he's a Trump supporter.

[-] Egonallanon@feddit.uk 12 points 1 week ago

Or god likes the pope too and wants to hang with him but to do that he has to kill him.

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[-] ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago

Fuck the the Catholic Church and anyone that supports it.

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[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

If God existed, I doubt he goes around with a magic cancer wand. That being said, Pope Leo isn't a good person, he just has a good media team.

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[-] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago
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[-] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

Have you considered the possibility that God is an incompetent moron?

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[-] TIN@feddit.uk 9 points 1 week ago

His plan is ineffable, it can't be effed

  • good omens (I think)
[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I'm an antitheist, but just to play along:

God is real, and he's a fucking asshole.

[-] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

"god works in mysterious ways"

"but that's all bullshit"

"god works in mysterious ways"

[-] weps@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

if you look at how cancer develops

that doesn't need God.. that just happens here on earth as a random lottery / your life choices

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[-] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Or God do exists and is the ultimate villain, the fucking last boss of Life™

God could still exist. It just means that either he isn't benevolent, isn't all-powerful, isn't all-knowing, or some combination thereof.

[-] Gpennyhigh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If he smoked or other risk factors and genetics have a lot to do with health. Some are more at risk from genes, but bad lifestyle can make various illnesses sooner, worse and advance faster than those who live healthier. There is no supernatural reward for suffering now. We're all temporary conscious stardust in this time to exist, and all the elements in us will be recycled again. That's the truth that frees us from the damaging dogmas and conditional belonging. Enjoy being the universe observing itself for this short time, peace!

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

God's interests are confined to the ocular, he doesn't do lungs.

[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

You're asking an existential question: why do bad things happen to good people? I would wager that this has been a subject of philosophical debate for as long as humans have existed.

Ultimately, I think it's the wrong question.

What you're experiencing is a form of confirmation bias. You expect bad people to live and good people to die, and that expectation is shaped by societal conditioning and the beliefs you've been exposed to throughout your life.

In reality, cancer, for example, affects a relatively small percentage of the world's population at any given time, although that percentage still represents a tremendous number of people.

You're seeing it affect people in roughly the proportions you'd expect. The problem is that the people you pay attention to tend to be the ones you believe shouldn't be affected by it, while those you believe should be affected often aren't.

We tend to perceive these events as unjust because we expect the world to operate according to some inherent sense of fairness. Unfortunately, nature doesn't make that distinction between good and bad people.

[-] Vandalismo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Holy fuck that question is as deep as a puddle

[-] YragNitram1956@feddit.uk 6 points 1 week ago

Do you mean the designer, omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent, creator, Jehovah, or the lord god that gave that gave us viruses, deadly bacteria, genetic diseases, parasites, , volcanos, earthquakes, blindness, cancers, floods, droughts, starvation, meteorites, death from lightning strikes, pestilence, holy wars, tidal waves, asbestos, infant mortality, trachoma, life threatening radioactive elements, solar flares, malaria, smallpox, despots, dictators, slavery, mass extinctions, ice ages, trachoma, hare lips, cleft palates, animal sacrifices, infant genital mutilation, mental illness depression, bilharzia and anxiety, autism, Parkinson's disease, Hansons disease, hernias, the appendix, compacted wisdom teeth, acne, dementia and complete morons?

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[-] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Mysterious ways, brah. Mysterious ways.

[-] Frettchen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

As an atheist: you get the concept wrong. All religions treat this life as a test and the nice part is yet to come. Children dying early or the Pope is them getting to heaven faster

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[-] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

Another reason on the list that I do not believe in God such as God is portrayed in the Bible, Torah, Koran, etc. If there is a God, I don't think it cares about life on Earth. It may have created the beginning of everything somehow but I don't think it micromanages what happens on Earth or even cares one way or the other.

[-] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

Perhaps the war between Heaven and Hell wasn't fought on Earth. Hell won, and Satan is in charge now.

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[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I was just saying - as he's a Christian and pretty much won that whole game, he probably isn't worried about dying. And Christians, like other religions, think earthly suffering is unavoidable but human life is short and eternity is long. In their view, God gives you what you can handle, and it would make sense that he could handle more, right?

Earthly suffering, or earthly success, doesn't prove or disprove God. God could also be a villain, right? Or just not be able to perceive us as individuals. Nothing that happens here can prove or disprove God, short of a God coming here and proving themselves.

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