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And that's a pretty big hatchback.

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[-] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 49 points 6 days ago

Favorite one I had was an 85 Silverado which was basically a bench seat with a bed attached.

Had to bring my current vehicle to get patched up and they loaned me some monstrosity that I as a 6'+ dude needed to use the steps and handles to get into and wouldn't fit in the garage with half the cargo space of that 85.

Anyone claiming necessity for those things is clearly over-compensating.

[-] SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 27 points 6 days ago

All I'm getting from this is that if we truly believed in market-based solutions we would change the incentive structure by equipping elementary school students with rocket-propelled grenades.

[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 5 days ago

The only thing stopping a bad driver with a truck is a good kid with a panzerfaust! /s

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[-] bassgirl09@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Fully agree. Most newer pick-up truck headlights are at eye level for me when driving my sedan. It is extremely annoying at best to drive at night. Most of the new trucks have hoods nearly as tall as me at 5 feet 3 inches. Those pavement princess trucks have no business being so huge. They are nothing but killing machines.

[-] SethranKada@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago

Damn I absolutely love those parking spots, wish everywhere would accommodate doors like that.

[-] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Why don't we all start keying these things? They are murder machines designed to kill children or frail people in a low speed pedestrian collision with their high hoods, if people want that luxury I should be able to key their truck.

Everybody thinks a high front hood looks cool, the reason the rest of us don't buy vehicles like this is because we are adults and don't make stupid decisions that will end up with children dying simply because of our aesthetic desires and need to perform our gender.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 42 points 6 days ago

Why don’t we all start keying these things?

or, use government to pass laws to restrict the size of vehicles used for non commercial purposes.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

that's a lovely dream

[-] jrwperformance@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

We just need a weight based vehicle registration. The more your apartment building on wheels weighs, the more you have to pay to keep it legal for road use. The tax is justified as well. Heavier vehicles cause more road wear/tear.

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

That would penalize EVs, which I suppose is fair if you're trying to account for wear and tear on the road.

Though I have thought a lot about something like this for Montreal. Currently, our parking vignettes are priced according to your vehicle's engine size.

This leads to funny situations where a Mazda 3 with a 2.5L Skyactiv engine is getting absolutely fucked while a big ass 2.0T SUV is paying less in vignette fees.

I went from an Elantra with a 2.0L engine to a K4 with a 1.6T engine, and my sportier K4 costs me less in vignette fees than my slow Elantra. The reasoning is that the SAAQ only exposes the engine size on the registration papers rather than the dimensions and weight of the vehicle, but I still think it's stupid.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago

Not all EVs are heavy, just the SUV tanks they sell in NA.

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 days ago

EVs are generally heavier than their ICE counterparts due to their battery pack. Energy density isn't something EVs beat ICE on yet.

[-] jrwperformance@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

It's about vehicle weight. Drivetrain type dosnt matter.

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[-] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago

Well yeah that would be preferable definitely!

[-] officermike@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Best we can do is create back-asswards EPA fuel economy regulations that end up encouraging manufacturers to make ever-larger trucks instead of more fuel efficient trucks.

[-] CommissarVulpin@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

As someone who likes to do my own car maintenance, those high hoods look like hell. I’m average height and I’d probably need a damn stepladder to change the oil.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 days ago

Stepladders are now common in service centres.

There is no engineering reason those hoods have to be so high. Buyers like the road intimidation effect that screams, PAYLOAD. HURRRRRR.

[-] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It is also funny when people lift their work trucks, landscapers do this a lot.

I will always have a memory of me at the dump with a tiny 90s toyota pickup bed full of heavy brush wrestling with it next to a landscaper with a lifted dodge ram who was doing the same thing but every single thing they lifted they had to reach up and into the bed of their truck as opposed to me where I just picked the awkward bundles of brush up at a comfortable waist level....

I will never not find it hilarious that bros are always lifting their trucks to go offroad too and yet in terms of offroad capability the most important thing for clearance is the differentials ("pumpkins") on the axles which can get easily smashed... and lifting your truck doesn't change the height of those....

So now your allignment is probably fucked, who knows how breaking mechanics have changed at highway speed!? your suspension is no longer set up for the vehicle you have because you changed it.... and you have taken a machine thousands of people very carefully set up to make it work nicely together and jacked a random variable way off that erases all of that and messes with systems in the vehicle you can't even begin to predict off the top of your head.

edit oh yeah and the single most important thing about technical offroading beyond the basic requirements in suspension and drivetrain is the length of the wheelbase of the vehicle, long wheelbase vehicles are fundamentally severely limited offroad because they constantly bottom out, so modern large pickup trucks fail atrociously at the offroad step on design principles alone. A short wheelbase 2 door jeep wrangler is infinitely superior offroad to a long wheelbase pickup.

[-] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It also makes it so if you hit an old lady at 17mph the hood hits her in the upper chest or head and kills her instantly vs. a normal car that would hit her at the waist non-fatally and scoop her up unto the hood.

I am so tired of people driving these murder machines, they also tend to speed in them and these are the absolute worst vehicles to speed in both for the survival of the driver (some of these trucks like Ford F250s, the roof was made super light to reduce rollover risk in safety tests which means the roof doesn't survive rollovers) and everyone else around them.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

literally this weekend I saw an accident where a tiny Karen in a lifted F150 hit a cement curb of boulevard at 60km/hr, ripping off the front suspension. I was first on scene, she said she didn't see the boulevard.

I'm sure she'll sort it out with the road's manager.

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[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I like your line of thinking. Work truck should look like a work truck. Worn.

The driver probably wouldn't even be able to see my K4 in traffic to the right of him, let alone a bicycle, or 18 children sitting in a row in front of the hood.

I very specifically got a hatchback / wagon because I wanted cargo space and pedestrian safety. Not that I intend to hit pedestrians, but we also don't have airbags with the intention to get into a collision.

Also, the designer of the Dodge Ram, the truck that arguably started this trend, stated that he wanted the truck to look like a fist moving through the air. Uh, yup, that is indeed what that is, a weapon.

[-] crenquis@lemmy.today 5 points 6 days ago

Over 13 years ago, before the hoods were quite this high, I had a pickup truck roll into the back of my car because he couldn't see me (was coming out of "Event" parking, so barely moving).

[-] invertedspear@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago

Dude, some of us need trucks, like actually hauling loads around several times a week, and it fucking sucks that there isn’t any choice in the design currently. Don’t key some poor souls car who’s just trying to make do with what’s available. Slate and Telo might actually save us here. I really can’t wait to “downgrade” to a Telo. I just hope they actually make it to market and succeed.

[-] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago

I know that and yet paradoxically this is literally what everyone who owns a pickup truck says.

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[-] QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

if I got into a crash with this guy I'd be absolutely fucked

[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

if they are on diesel, they are getting pretty fucked currently

[-] Jiral@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Deservedly.

[-] biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

A side note, why are the parkings so unnecessarily large? They look like disabled parkings but I know they aren't.

Am I too Australian to understand?

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 days ago

It's a hardware store. Those and Costco get large spots so people can get stuff in and out of their cars without dinging other people's shit

[-] biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ah, makes a little more sense now.

It still feels strange since I'm used to spots being the standardised size for everywhere, and that we generally load everything into the back. If someone needs, like if they've got heaps of stuff to load or have a trailer, people generally don't mind if they park across multiple spots unless the parking lot is full.

I guess I can't really judge since I've never visited ~~the USA~~ Canada

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Too bad this ain't the USA

[-] biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

My bad, I forgot to look at your instance, and I keep forgetting that Canada has similar looking road infrastructure to the USA.

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago

If these behemoths stuck to the farm or construction sites then maybe a bit less mayhem and accidental deaths but I find most buy them for their ego and grocery shopping.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

ironically you're more likely to see other vehicles on farms, because these things kinda suck for doing actual work and farmers will probably just use an ancient truck that is actually possible to maintain and repair.

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

At least this is a hardware store, but jesus fuck do they really need to be this monstrously large?

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