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fuck trucks rule
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And that's a pretty big hatchback.
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Why don't we all start keying these things? They are murder machines designed to kill children or frail people in a low speed pedestrian collision with their high hoods, if people want that luxury I should be able to key their truck.
Everybody thinks a high front hood looks cool, the reason the rest of us don't buy vehicles like this is because we are adults and don't make stupid decisions that will end up with children dying simply because of our aesthetic desires and need to perform our gender.
or, use government to pass laws to restrict the size of vehicles used for non commercial purposes.
that's a lovely dream
We just need a weight based vehicle registration. The more your apartment building on wheels weighs, the more you have to pay to keep it legal for road use. The tax is justified as well. Heavier vehicles cause more road wear/tear.
That would penalize EVs, which I suppose is fair if you're trying to account for wear and tear on the road.
Though I have thought a lot about something like this for Montreal. Currently, our parking vignettes are priced according to your vehicle's engine size.
This leads to funny situations where a Mazda 3 with a 2.5L Skyactiv engine is getting absolutely fucked while a big ass 2.0T SUV is paying less in vignette fees.
I went from an Elantra with a 2.0L engine to a K4 with a 1.6T engine, and my sportier K4 costs me less in vignette fees than my slow Elantra. The reasoning is that the SAAQ only exposes the engine size on the registration papers rather than the dimensions and weight of the vehicle, but I still think it's stupid.
Not all EVs are heavy, just the SUV tanks they sell in NA.
EVs are generally heavier than their ICE counterparts due to their battery pack. Energy density isn't something EVs beat ICE on yet.
It's about vehicle weight. Drivetrain type dosnt matter.
It only penalises EVs if you do it instead of, rather than in addition to a petrol excise. If there's an excise that forces ICE vehicles to pay for their pollution, that would more than offset any extra rego cost related to road damage.
The difference in weight isn't as large as between an SUV and a sedan, and EVs should already get subsidies/tax-advantages based on pollution which should more than make up for it.
There is nothing preventing having slightly different weight classes for ICE and EVs. The latter shouldn't get a free pass but battery weight should be considered. In Some country that is already the case that EVs have slightly different weight based rules.
Not just weight, but also energy usage per 100 km & size.
Tax loopholes like leasing for "company work" need to be closed as well.
Well yeah that would be preferable definitely!
Best we can do is create back-asswards EPA fuel economy regulations that end up encouraging manufacturers to make ever-larger trucks instead of more fuel efficient trucks.
As someone who likes to do my own car maintenance, those high hoods look like hell. I’m average height and I’d probably need a damn stepladder to change the oil.
Stepladders are now common in service centres.
There is no engineering reason those hoods have to be so high. Buyers like the road intimidation effect that screams, PAYLOAD. HURRRRRR.
It is also funny when people lift their work trucks, landscapers do this a lot.
I will always have a memory of me at the dump with a tiny 90s toyota pickup bed full of heavy brush wrestling with it next to a landscaper with a lifted dodge ram who was doing the same thing but every single thing they lifted they had to reach up and into the bed of their truck as opposed to me where I just picked the awkward bundles of brush up at a comfortable waist level....
I will never not find it hilarious that bros are always lifting their trucks to go offroad too and yet in terms of offroad capability the most important thing for clearance is the differentials ("pumpkins") on the axles which can get easily smashed... and lifting your truck doesn't change the height of those....
So now your allignment is probably fucked, who knows how breaking mechanics have changed at highway speed!? your suspension is no longer set up for the vehicle you have because you changed it.... and you have taken a machine thousands of people very carefully set up to make it work nicely together and jacked a random variable way off that erases all of that and messes with systems in the vehicle you can't even begin to predict off the top of your head.
edit oh yeah and the single most important thing about technical offroading beyond the basic requirements in suspension and drivetrain is the length of the wheelbase of the vehicle, long wheelbase vehicles are fundamentally severely limited offroad because they constantly bottom out, so modern large pickup trucks fail atrociously at the offroad step on design principles alone. A short wheelbase 2 door jeep wrangler is infinitely superior offroad to a long wheelbase pickup.
It also makes it so if you hit an old lady at 17mph the hood hits her in the upper chest or head and kills her instantly vs. a normal car that would hit her at the waist non-fatally and scoop her up unto the hood.
I am so tired of people driving these murder machines, they also tend to speed in them and these are the absolute worst vehicles to speed in both for the survival of the driver (some of these trucks like Ford F250s, the roof was made super light to reduce rollover risk in safety tests which means the roof doesn't survive rollovers) and everyone else around them.
literally this weekend I saw an accident where a tiny Karen in a lifted F150 hit a cement curb of boulevard at 60km/hr, ripping off the front suspension. I was first on scene, she said she didn't see the boulevard.
I'm sure she'll sort it out with the road's manager.
Oh yeah I can't imagine how difficult maintenance would be with such a tall engine bay. I also like to do my own maintenance, very easy on a car like mine.
I like your line of thinking. Work truck should look like a work truck. Worn.
The driver probably wouldn't even be able to see my K4 in traffic to the right of him, let alone a bicycle, or 18 children sitting in a row in front of the hood.
I very specifically got a hatchback / wagon because I wanted cargo space and pedestrian safety. Not that I intend to hit pedestrians, but we also don't have airbags with the intention to get into a collision.
Also, the designer of the Dodge Ram, the truck that arguably started this trend, stated that he wanted the truck to look like a fist moving through the air. Uh, yup, that is indeed what that is, a weapon.
Over 13 years ago, before the hoods were quite this high, I had a pickup truck roll into the back of my car because he couldn't see me (was coming out of "Event" parking, so barely moving).
Running over your own kids...
Massive skill issue on that guy's part.
Yeah I was thinking of that lol
Dude, some of us need trucks, like actually hauling loads around several times a week, and it fucking sucks that there isn’t any choice in the design currently. Don’t key some poor souls car who’s just trying to make do with what’s available. Slate and Telo might actually save us here. I really can’t wait to “downgrade” to a Telo. I just hope they actually make it to market and succeed.
I know that and yet paradoxically this is literally what everyone who owns a pickup truck says.
We’ll see how many of us put our money where our mouth is when actual smaller options hit the market. Both Slate and Telo are about to actually start delivery, maybe. Won’t believe it till I see it.
Sure and honestly there are obviously reasons for a large pickup especially because the market is dumb as hell but also...
The high hood is murderous and pointless from a utility perspective, which is fundamentally contradictory to the concept of the vehicle as a utility focused vehicle.
The crash ratings for the back seats in many older pickups are not safe for kids, there is a reason SUVs have a longer passenger compartment size....
These vehicles put everyone in danger around them, including the passengers because even with the miracles of modern brake technology they can't stop fast on slippery conditions and they cannot swerve at high speed without going out of control or rolling over leaving your only option to smash into thing and hope you kill it more than it kills you... my point is even when these vehicles have a function they still involve an individual placing everyone around them in danger through their use.
Compare an american pickup hood to the hood of this utility van, the hood of this van still has to go up very quickly to eventually reach the roof line but even still you can see it was thoughtfully designed to maximize visibility while also making the most likely pedestrian collision one where the person is hit lowdown and falls onto the hood rather than under the vehicle.
This one is better, of course the "problem" is that it doesn't look like a RAM because... it was designed purposefully to be a BAD battering ram???
Even still that hood shape still doesn't gurantee a pedestrian strike couldn't happen higher up on the head or upper chest. This is the entire reason for the sedan like pronounced nose in the first place right??!?
All pickup truck designers did was look at that and think "yeah but that looks lame, we need to raise the hood more" until they made another vertical wall that the driver now can't see over..... it is so dumb it makes my head hurt.
https://alexandriainjuryattorney.com/blog/pick-up-truck-blind-spots/
This article about blindspots is a good visual example of the problem in that they are both expressions of the same fundamental geometric stupidity of american pickup truck hoods, the same reason the make it easy to run over kids by accident makes them more likely to kill them on contact in an accident that might otherwise have been totally survivable. It is pretty hard to lethally impact someone in their lower body, it is frighteningly easy to lethally impact someone in the head or their upper chest.
vans don't do quite as well at going over trenches, and don't look like they have places to put straps/chains to drag things with
Bold claim, most do it only a few times a year, at which point it's easier to rent one of those things to attach. And for parking, a smaller one would be easier if you did it often. But that's my view...
There is. Have you heard of kei trucks and lorries? (They're not mini, just normally sized, unlike the two brands you mentioned). Pretty practical; their "bed" is the same size, and they actually are made to transport that stuff.
If you prefer a different car look, an estate car or one of those coupé utilities like the Volkswagen Caddy might work.
For frequent large work burdens, a van is much better and actually keeps the wares dry. Or, let it be delivered by a transport company if you're ordering.
also
Those genital compensation vehicles (or copecars for short) cost like $80,000 up to $400,000(!). They're a colossal waste of time, space, and money.
If you want something that actually saves you and makes you stronger while using, just go buy a proper bicycle and if you need something transported that people can't do on bikes, then use a van or lorry as I mentioned.
I just want my 1999 Frontier back, with an EV engine in it. Why is this so hard? Why is the current Frontier the same size as the original Titan?
Because (at least in the US) their owners are also murder machines. So you'd have to be pretty committed to your cause.
Nah they are infuriatingly normal people who are being allowed to think their choice of driving a massive pickup is normal or acceptable.
Everyone thinks they need them.
Even in Canada, those mfs can be insane.