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submitted 6 days ago by absGeekNZ to c/newzealand

I recently drove my EV from Taupล to Auckland and back.

ChargeNet is great and all, very nice quick charging. But wow is it expensive.

$0.99/kWh on a Sunday afternoon. That is 2.5x what I pay at home, and probably 10x the wholesale rate which they are buying power at.

I am an engineer, so I understand the complexities of delivering huge power loads at a moments notice. But is it really worth the 10x markup?

For context my EV gets approx 5.5km/kWh ~20c/km; vs my ute at currently 32c/km. It would be cheaper running a small petrol car rather than an EV using public charging.

I mostly charge at home at ~19c/kWh; or ~4c/km which is much more reasonable. Long trips are a killer.

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[-] Dave 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I've had this discussion with someone recently. I don't think it's excessively expensive, I think it's expensive for the same reason that food is significantly more expensive from a restaurant, drinks are significantly more expensive at a bar, and T-shirts are much more expensive at a gift shop.

You're paying for the convenience, not the power. Chargenet has a charging station within 75km of everywhere in NZ. Some of those will be hardly used at all, but the fact the network covers everywhere is very important, so the cost of the hardly used stations is borne by the ones people actually use. Then you have the staff cost of running the company, developing the app, customer support, advertising, and maintenance. And you have the cost of replacing the cables every time someone takes to them with bolt cutters and scraps the copper (which apparently happens a lot). You've also got to pay for (or lease) the land for the charger, manage contracts with malls, supermarkets, etc where you are using their land, and presumably there is a connection cost for having 1, 2, or 6 chargers each pulling 300kW at peak (admittedly many chargenet chargers are 50 or 75) and that cost might be higher than your average single phase residential connection.

All those costs over the whole country need to be split between the people who actually use the service, and TBH I don't think that number is particularly high.

Given the low number of EVs in the country, the huge network covering a mostly empty country, and the ongoing costs of expanding their network, honestly it seems pretty reasonable to charge 3x what I'd pay at home.

A selling point of EVs is that you hardly ever use a paid charging service, you wake up every morning with a fully charged battery so outside of trips away you don't have to think about fuel at all.

With all that said, I don't think I've ever seen $0.99/kWH, but $0.85-0.95 is pretty typical where I go. We are talking about $60 of fast charging to get from Wellington to New Plymouth and back again, assuming leaving home fully charged and charging at home on arrival, compared to what, $200 of petrol or something, so it's a pretty good deal still I reckon.

[-] absGeekNZ 6 points 6 days ago

While this is true; I also know that my brother in law, who is with Genesis for his home power is charged at his home rate for fast charging. He is on the EV plan.

I doubt that they are making a loss there.

[-] Dave 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I just looked up that plan and it has a daily fixed charge of $2 per day higher than our current one ๐Ÿ˜ฎ, and the daytime rates are higher per kWH as well.

Admittedly their main non-EV plan is also super expensive. I would expect that they probably pay Chargenet more than home rates but significantly less than full rates. Genesis charge more in the plan to account for it, and Chargenet get more users feeding into what is effectively fixed costs outside of the power use itself.

The actual chargenet costs are probably covered by the $5/month extra fixed line cost (about a 15c/day difference in their EV and standard plan fixed daily charge for my house). Because most people on the plan are probably there for the 50% night time rate and the cheaper chargenet is likely just a bonus, and outside of some high users the average use is probably pretty low.

50% night rates is interesting. Average wholesale power costs are often something like 3-5c/kWH. We have to pay 25-30c because at certain times of the year it can get to hundreds or occasionally briefly thousands for 1kWH. Plus the whole thing above about company costs. But night time 50% off probably doesn't actually cost that much for them considering their huge daily charge, which I'm still flabbergasted by๐Ÿ˜†.

[-] Venator 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Since chargenet is owned by Genesis Energy, if your home power is with them then you only pay what you pay at home: https://www.genesisenergy.co.nz/for-home/products/electric-vehicles/everywhere

But yeah it's a bit shit since the government owns 51% of Genesis Energy, you'd think they could make it more useful for everyone...

Before I was with Genesis I primarily used Z chargers, as I found them slightly cheaper and less busy, and can get a pie and a v while you charge ๐Ÿ˜‚.

It would be cheaper running a small petrol car rather than an EV using public charging.

That's true, if you don't charge at home at all. Means there's less incentive to get an EV if you live in an apartment with no power points in the carpark. Still some incentive though, as most EVs have performance similar to a less efficient, more powerful petrol car (e.g. my old car was about the same size and slightly faster than my current EV; was a 3l hatchback and got about 10l/100km, and needed 95, which would work out to about 37c/km at the moment).

5.5km/kWh ~20c/km

*18c/km

Interesting that you round up for the EV, but not your ute ๐Ÿ˜‚

[-] absGeekNZ 2 points 4 days ago

Numbers are all very dependent on how I drive, if I'm really careful I can get the ute to 9.4l/100 round town and as low as 8.6 on the open road. But is also very early to be above 11 around town.

The EV is similar... Just some rough numbers to make the point.

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