The flights seem to have resumed about an hour ago.
So all flights in, and to the country were on hold for 12 hours, because somebody really wanted to replace all air traffic workers with Grok?
This is the government that promised to create millions of jobs. I guess they never specified whether the jobs will be for people or GPUs.
I'm trapped in the airport until Monday :|
Does anyone have a guess as to what this is about?
-AI Slopocalypse?
-Hacking from Russians/Irans/etc?
-Shakedown for 50 Billion dollars and just completely fake to get more money for an agency?
-UFOs?
-A test to see how the public will respond (to guage reactions for future things that may happen, like war)?
I really don't know what's most likely, and, unfortunately, since the US Government is legally allowed to lie to people and has lied to people many times (https://www.bolde.com/14-times-governments-lied-and-people-only-found-out-decades-later/), I just can't really trust the official reasons to be true.
Former Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene (who is a bad person because she doesn't support trans people) has said in a widely viewed post that they are clearly lying.
Seems this fascist regime can't get the planes to run on time.
So it's indeed the result of implementing an AI system that completely overwhelmed the traffic control systems.
How is there no oversight or proper testing? And why roll this out on a Friday?
Everything reaks of incompetence. This regime is so lucky nothing bad happened and lives were lost.
Now this asshat in charge of the department of transportation, wants 50 billion dollars and blames the Biden administration.
Fuck all.
Where can I read about your confident conclusion?
They also want 50 billion for a brand new system to fix the issue.
read
links a video
Appreciate the source but thought that was rather funny.
Thanks for the link. They didn't mention AI here, and instead vaguely mentioned "new equipment overwhelming the old equipment". I had heard it was network switches, which might make sense with that half-assed explanation.
I can see the case for wanting to rip and replace, building greenfield to wait along brownfield for a hard cut. I really do.
Inteconnecting really old shit....the type of shit where most the original developers are long dead, adds a ton of cost and, more importantly, complexity onto what could otherwise be a rather straightforward replacement.
Generally, at least.
But I don't trust this administration to properly do that. Like, at all. I'm generally rather comfortable flying...that second dude just shot down all my confidence in ATC as it stands now.
A $50b project would be $30b spent to the lowest bidders (who will conveniently be a friend of Trump's, and will also run behind schedule and over-budget) and $20b handed to Trump and friends.
Dammit Biden!
Thanks Obama!
When asked if AI had anything to do with the outage DHS secretary Mark Wayne Mullin replied "We call it SI around here remember?"
I wish I was kidding.
I mean ofc it was. They turned it on the same day they had to ground the planes.
https://gizmodo.com/the-faa-is-rolling-out-its-ai-air-traffic-tool-nationwide-2000839347
Here is a link to the above quote if anyone wants it.
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I si what you did there.
From yesterday:
“Chat GBB what’s a tarmac?”
Wow, our government will do literally anything to avoid having to pay decent wages and benefits to air traffic controllers.
September and claims it has already rerouted 180 flights for average savings of 10 minutes and 80 gallons of fuel, Ars wrote (that’s just shy of $345 per flight, at jet fuel rates of $4.31/gallon as of Thursday).
A tool that cost a little under a BILLION dollars…so far…saved $62,000? That’s the stupidest waste of taxpayer money in the last 5 minutes with this administration. And of course it saved airlines the money, while taxpayers got stuck with the $800 million dollar bill for the WalMart brand airplane route planner.
It's not going to save anyone any money on flights because companies just pocket the difference, but does anyone know how the jet gas/ diesel/ consumer auto gas markets are connected? Is there a chance the reduced jet fuel demand reduces prices at the pump? That's probably the bigger picture goal here even if it doesn't actually work that way, because our government is run by dumbasses who wouldn't even think to ask if they're connected.
This looks like one of those large upfront costs things that saves money over the long run because new critical infrastructure systems always cost a lot upfront and need a slow rollout to prevent things like, say, grounding every single flight in the country, but long term pay for themselves. On paper I'm usually in favor of short term spend for long term savings but unfortunately this is a kleptocracy and this is an indirect handout to the airlines.
The petroleum market is very complex and I don’t have the brains to dig into it. Suffice to say that thanks to all the bombs and missiles flying around and hitting oil infrastructure right now the markets have become unhinged as far as what oil costs and what refined products cost and the reltaionships between those and market/future prices. IOW per bbl cost can be down and gas prices up, or vice versa. For now though just know that it’s going to be years before proces could start coming back down thanks to the destroyed refining and shipping capabilities.
But anyway, you already answered your question…they pocket the difference. And odds are that even if refining capability catches back up, consumers won’t see a commensurate drop in price. “Record profits”, y’know.
Hey Claude, is runway 5 free?
"Oops, sorry. You're absolutely right to question that. Runway 5 did have a plane already on it with 254 passengers on board. Would you like me to assist with notifying their next of kin?"
I wanted to make a joke like "no but runway 185 is" since the number of a runway is its degrees from magnetic north and each runway gets two numbers, 180 degrees apart, depending on the direction you're landing from. But the numbers are rounded to 10 meaning runway 5 isnt a real runway number so the joke doesnt really work (it would be runways 01 and 19 for 10 degrees and 190 degrees)
Considering AI's tendency to hallucinate, being told runway 185 is free makes perfect sense for an AI to output.
FAA denies it's related to the new system. they say it's a communication equipment outage.
so 🤷
Right, the timings is PURELY coincidental
Right? Old reliable tech is suddenly the problem after rolling out the shiny new 875 million dollar AI system? Def sounds fishy to me
... From the CNN article linked in this thread:
Homeland Security Secretary Markwayne Mullin pointed to FAA updates to the air traffic control system as the reason behind today’s nationwide ground stop. He said the FAA added new technology to the old system, causing the massive breakdown.
I heard that Outlook breaking was causing problems but this is ridiculous.
Is ATC in the US MS Teams based?
How did Flavor Flave seem to know before everybody else?
He runs a girl's water polo team so maybe he had direct experience with the outage.
This was not a joke, I'm dead serious.
He requested it, and FAA had no choice but to shut things down
In addition to his other duties, Flavor Flav is also official timekeeper for the FAA. He keeps all the clocks synced in the nation's air traffic control towers. He just had a sick day today.
What else do you think the clock was for?
They just upgraded from floppy drives. My money is on them letting a virus into the system, or that the new system had major security problems.
https://www.techspot.com/news/114471-almost-2027-faa-finally-replacing-floppy-disks-used.html
"The FAA wants E-IDS installed at 435 facilities by the end of 2028. Five sites have already replaced their floppy disk-based systems: Atlantic City International Airport, Nashville International Airport, Greater Rochester International Airport, and data processing hubs in Atlanta and Salt Lake City"
Edit: it looks like they also just started expanding and AI traffic management system nationwide.
https://avweb.com/aviation-news/faa-expands-ai-assisted-traffic-management/
Found out about it when our flight landed and the pilot made an announcement. No other info than there was a ground order, immediate thought was 9/11
My immediate thought was Airplane! (1980) starring Robert Hays and Julie Hagerty and featuring Leslie Nielsen.
Have you ever seen a grown man naked?
Have you ever seen the inside of a Turkish prison?
Did the FAA ask its new AI to "safely bring back online the Air Route Traffic Control Centers without breaking anything else. Make no mistakes!" ?
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