vegafjord

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[–] vegafjord@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 minutes ago

I'll look into it:)

[–] vegafjord@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 minutes ago

A word carries a cultural reference. A society has a relationship towards different cultures and the cultural meaning are summened through the use of words. Water has a different cultural meaning in chinese languages compared to outside. Freedom has a different cultural meaning in america compared to outside. Målreising (tongue lift) has a different cultural meaning in norway compared to outside.

Languages bombards us with cultural meanings every day which shapes our deed in small and large ways. They have trained our mind in what information is important and what information is not important. We are mostly cognitively unconcious about what we do throughout the day. (look into Lakoff Philosophy in the flesh)

For this reason I am of the conviction that we should strive to know how we are influenced, how the words shapes us and impact our cognitive unconcious. I think we can best do this through ensuring that words are easy to understand, easy to construct, easy to teach, have strong images. By doing this languages becomes more accessible.

I often view my own personal language as a growing birch, in some regards. It grows in many directions. As I learn, branches grows, splits and gains leaves. When I juggle, there are many different ways I can grow upon already existing abilities. Taking a trick, I can make it more advanced, and if completed, it would be like a new branch growing from the previous trick.

By improving the flexibility of the language, we can envision growth more easily.

Norwegian

In Norway this question is much more prominent because we have two official written languages both with big fandoms. Book-norwegian and new-norwegian. These represents two different philosophies.

Book-norwegian was made on the basis of collecting how people spoke norwegian in the 1800's (strongly influenced by danish) whereas new-norwegian was made by a linguist who wanted norwegian to be as removed from danish as possible.

From this we can characterize book-norwegian as pragmatist, whereas new-norwegian is purist.

We also have sam-norwegian which wants to mesh these two languages into one creating a single united language. I think this is absurd because the underlying philosophies does not blend.

My position in norwegian

The flaw with the pragmatic approach to language is that it makes whatever words comes in accepted, regardless of how well or poorly they mesh with the existing language. A word like "contraversial", or "cohort" can enter the norwegian language even though the vast majority can't speak latin. We are told their meanings instead of understanding their meanings.

Those who embrace new norwegian often say that it is a more poetic language, and I believe this is because it is easier to construct words when you have to operate with a single language instead of five. You don't have to understand german, latin, french, danish and norwegian to construct words. The phonology is also more consistent easing rythm. It becomes easier to see how you can manipulate sentences.

Målreising

In norwegian we have what we call målreising which means we try to improve the language.

Esperanto

Yes, I have learned it.

What can we learn from it?

Esperanto has great resources for learning and is constructed for ease of learning. It's easy to concatinate to create new words. By looking at a word, you can easily understand what it means even if you have never heard it before and you know how to pronounce the words immidiately.

World language

World languages is popular. They make it easy to travel long distances and still be understood, it makes it possible for a whole world to react to injustice on the other side of Gaja.

World languages has a lot of good things going for them.

But world languages also means that it becomes easier for might to influence the entire world through soft might. It makes the machine more efficient. Makes the cogs turn around faster. But whereas some would think of this as good... I view the increased efficiency as a way of increasing the burden upon a weakened Gaja.

There should be languages for coordination, but the size of world languages has given a monsterous hegemony for the mighty.

lokening: We should give less attention for world languages and more attention for geographically close languages.

Conclusion

Now this is a mess. Like a tree that grows in a thousand directions, I don't really know how to entangle them back to a simple conclusion, and I feel like I've spent much more time on this than what I had planned, so I'll have to stop here and hope there was some insight and not too confusing.

 

We all have a relationship to at least one language. We are monolingual, bilingual, multilingual; we strive for objectivity or expressiveness. Is language diversity good? or does it create more linguistic barriers? Does different languages change our perception of reality, or does study make us see clearly? Does world languages help bring us together, or make it easier for might to manipulate us all?

We all have relationship to languages; and so the question is: How do we relate to them? How should society relate to them?

What is the role of languages? How do we see whether languages moves in the right or wrong direction? Is there a right or wrong direction?

[–] vegafjord@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 hours ago

Its very interesting how a seemingly neutral word like debate can remove the gleediness of others. The seemness of debate plays on the idea that debates are good; its good to talk about issues, its good to air ideas. But it opens a question that puts a questionmark on a human being. Are you welcome, or are you not?

The seemness is the tool for ripping us appart from each other; and it happens through questions. But we can parry!

By being aware of the seemness we can make our own. "Trans people has more right to exist than the washington beatling." is a good example of how to do this.

[–] vegafjord@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago

Im happy about it at least

[–] vegafjord@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 day ago

It might not look like much, but the really impressive part about their journey is how they avoid being dragged into a political sport between the liberal/conservative/MAGA cesspool, and instead drag our attention towards the meaningful.

Its a dreamers game, and those who captures the imagination of the people are the winners.

At the same time, Washington politics is a money game, and Sanders wing have been able to keep up with them only with money from small donors.

Well at least thats my takaway from following us politics between 2015 to 2021.

[–] vegafjord@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

Give a name to a tree you like.

[–] vegafjord@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago

My wife sais the comic is misinformation. Cats has 7 lives.

[–] vegafjord@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 days ago

A tiny step forward ✊

[–] vegafjord@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Please... It's not others job to find references for you. If you fail to reference something, that is your cape. We should not normalize outsourcing of referencing.

lets have good conversation ettiquette

[–] vegafjord@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (14 children)

It is fun arguing with people you disagree with as long as both argues in good faith and has uses good etiquette. Both needs to be open minded to a certain degree.

The goal of a conversation is not to convince, but rather to explore your own and their mind. To grow together. A conversation is not a competition, we should not aim to "win" a conversation.

[–] vegafjord@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 week ago

Seems like you are putting a lot of effort into making other people feel like shit? Do you do this all day?

 

Humans are not the unwellness, the machine is.

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