Four ministers (Duncan Webb, Jan Tinetti, Deborah Russell and Willie Jackson) claimed the capped allowance, of up to $45,000 a year, to cover living costs in the city. They then use it to pay rent on property they already own.

Four Government MPs (Arena Williams, Jenny Salesa, Jamie Strange and Sarah Pallet) claim an entitlement of up to $31,000 per year.

Twelve National Party MPs, including leader Christopher Luxon, do the same. They are: Andrew Bayly; Gerry Brownlee; Judith Collins; Jacqui Dean; Barbara Kuriger; Melissa Lee; Ian McKelvie; Mark Mitchell; Simon O’Connor; Stuart Smith; Louise Upston and Michael Woodhouse.

ACT’s Simon Court also claims the allowance and owns property in the Capital, but the party did not respond to a request for comment.

[–] Dave 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How the fuck is this legal??

MPs make the laws?

[–] luthis 5 points 1 year ago

Oh... yes of course.

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fucking scum. When do we oust these locusts. They provide nothing but take everything.

[–] luthis 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now is the time to vote!

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For who ? Labour that refused to bring in land reform or national who wish to have the highest house prices in the world oced ?

I wonder which one I should bite for ?

Politicians are corrupt civil servants. Remove them and get in people who actually want to improve the average kiwis life.

[–] Xcf456 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Greens, who have a comprehensive tax policy with relief targeted at the lower end and rebalancing the tax take to come from capital gains and wealth instead of being heavily weighted to taxing work and consumption.

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If only

[–] Xcf456 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well hey, if it's consistent with your values and what you want out of a political party why not? The beauty of our electoral system is you don't have to just vote for Labour or national. Yes one of them will be in govt but the more votes the minors get the more they can push for things

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Up until a point. Still can't have national in

[–] Xcf456 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agree, I was talking generally there but my overall point was - it sounds like the kinds of things you're after are Greens policy, so you should vote for the Greens :)

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unfortunately greens burned their bridges with that incident regarding

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/greens-co-leader-marama-davidson-walks-back-comment-linking-cis-white-men-to-violence-at-posie-parker-rally/JAJ4VCTERVHRLGG55NHTHMCDUY/

Can't vote for a party that seems that acceptable. I'm sure a lot of others were put off by that too.

[–] Xcf456 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh you're one of those guys. Well vote for Labour then, the policies have a chance to influence while not providing your direct support

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Say what you mean. Spit it out. One of what ?

[–] luthis 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Greens for free dental. And all that 'improve the lower classes wellbeing' stuff.

I'm sure there's a good joke to be made about voting for Greens for dental and coming back to bite you because you have teeth when you're 80 or something.

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What are greens offering? Dental for over 60s ? Under 10s. Greens are a good shout but prefer unfortunately to vote labour just so I don't get national

[–] Longpork_afficianado 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Voting greens if is effectively still a vote for labour, as theyre unlikely to get 60 seats on their own. Its just a vote that lets them pput more pressure on labour when forming a coalition.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis 5 points 1 year ago

Some would argue that voting Green is better than voting Labour as it forces Labour / gives Labour cover to do left-wing things while campaigning as centre-right.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are more than two parties in New Zealand. And Politicians are not civil servants; at least not in the way that term is traditionally used.

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Obviously but that doesn't mean it's a two party fight. More than two parties in most countries. And funnily Enough it's usually one of three.

Any other useful advice or ?

[–] jeff11 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't forget to heckle them and send some hate mail to your local council. I'm doing my part, I hope you're doing yours ;-)

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Enlighten me. I may be convinced.

[–] jeff11 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You may as well write to ministers and officials, and tell them how poorly they perform, and that their actions have corrupted the country and ruined the lives of countless people.

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Suppose. I'm sure I'm on a list anyway

[–] Xcf456 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Govt should just build a big apartment building near Parliament and they can stay in that while in Wellington. If MPs want to live somewhere else they pay for it themselves

[–] master5o1 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like student dorms, separated by party affiliation? Or current standard Kāinga Ora units?

[–] Xcf456 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Student dorms, two to a room with random assignment across parties to encourage maximum sitcom-esque situations like drawing a line down the middle of the room

[–] Dave 4 points 1 year ago

Which party are you in? You've just won my vote.

[–] liv 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I seem to remember someone getting pinged out for this about 15 years ago and it being quite a scandal.

Now it's what they all do. We're being boiled like the apocryphal frogs.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just want to point out something that regularly gets overlooked whenever this is brought up.

I think its a bad look and ideally shouldn't happen, but...
The government would be paying rent to someone for these MPs so as long as its market rent, its not costing the taxpayer any more than it otherwise would.
Local constituency offices are regularly worked out a similar way and again its the same deal, if they're funded by the govt, then the govt would be paying someone, its just who its going to that's a bit off.
I'd be all in favour of Kainga Ora building a housing precinct of affordable, simple homes - ie the type we desperately need, and any MP that doesn't want to pay for their own accomodation from their own salary can have one of those to occupy.

[–] Xcf456 5 points 1 year ago

I think it's a huge conflict of interest when it's MPs' own properties. Essentially taxpayer funds are supporting the accumulation of untaxed capital gains for every MP who does this. Its yet another example of why our housing policy is so borked when those elected to make the rules are so compromised in multiple ways.

I like your idea of KO building purpose accommodation for MPs.

[–] Dave 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I considered making this argument, but I decided I don't mind if it's the same money going to someone else, it should be an arms length transaction. Not to yourself, not to your husband or friend or friend's mum.

The idea of MP accommodation does sound good. How do you handle families? Backbencher salaries are not that great when you tell them they have to pay for two houses. I'm sure many MPs have partners and kids stay with them in Wellington at times.

[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh I agree 100%, it should just be something that's not allowed so there's no question of impropriety.

MP accommodation should be easy enough, a pool of housing some apartments, some townhouses and some 3-4 bed etc. Ideally built to social housing standards by Kainga Ora, because if its good enough for an average family it should be good enough for an MP.

Oh and potentially Kainga Ora should research the standard operating practises of private landlords and apply that to MPs as well ;)

[–] ciaocibai 2 points 1 year ago

I’m not sure what the situation is now, but they used to keep a pool of houses in Wellington for MP’s and their families to live in but like everything many have been sold off over the years. It makes sense to have them available as these representatives need to be in Wellington, but renting them back from the owners like this sounds weird.

[–] biddy@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They don't? They all get an accommodation supplement for when they're staying in Wellington, which some choose to use on an owned home.

[–] Dave 2 points 1 year ago

Can you point to some evidence that all MPs recieve this? I can only find a reimbursement for costs that has a cap.