Nazis, Israeli abominations, and christian pedophiles go to heaven... why the fuck would I want to go to heaven and be stuck with them for eternity?
Correct because it doesn't exist.
"Drake... Where are our names in the Book of Life ?"
Imagine a club where you can rape and pillage your entire life, ask for forgiveness on your dying breath and your in.
You can also ask how to spell you're
As long as you don't intend to ask for forgiveness in the first place
Right. You have to have genuine remorse. Still dumb though.
I dunno, I guess I think punitive justice is an inherently fucked up concept. When I was a kid, adults used to say two wrongs don't make a right. At first I thought they were full of shit, but as I grew older, I learned how horrible prisons are and how they don't make people better.
In Christianity, you have to mean it. People can't turn their beliefs on a dime like that, meaning it takes work. You have to have done the work. Anyone who's successfully sacrificing Jesus would basically be capable of giving a meaningful apology to the victims and rehabilitating themself.
Still, heaven isn't for Me. It's just not My aesthetic. When I die, I'm going to Ninuan.
well I don't think that person care about being in or out anyway
Well, nobody can go to heaven because the gates are closed.
When your friend convinced you to go to church and get molested and there is no God
Pikachu
When the Christian friend convinces you into religion, but it turns out God hates belief in false gods more than non-belief (you picked the wrong religion).
There is only one guy who guessed correct religion after particularly vivid mushroom trip, but he's still in hell because he started doing correct things for the wrong motivation.
you picked the wrong religion
There is no way that most people didn't pick the correct religion. Even if all Christians were "correct" enough to get to heaven regardless of denomination, that still leaves 71%+ of the world who aren't Christians. And that is best case scenario as Christians are the largest religious group by population in the world currently. And even within the Christian community, there are plenty of in-groups and out-groups that consider one another to be cultish and blasphemy. No matter what you are betting, your chances aren't great and the majority of the world is still "wrong" and will face whatever consequences come with that fact.
Personally, I'm happy to just not believe rather than to force myself to conform to some oppressive dogma, dump my time and money into a church, and live with shame just to hedge my bets for what would still be bad odds anyway.
I'm not sure I'll ever get over how arrogant and simple-minded Pascal's Wager is. The whole premise is either Christianity or nothing; it doesn't account for any other religion. I just find it hilarious.
I prefer the simple answer proposed by the Death of the Discworld: everyone is getting exactly what they think is coming to them. The final justice is that of your own conscience.
So pick a religion that aligns with your personal values and you'll be alright.
Don't worry, Muslims will be overtaking Christians this decade based on current growth statistics
Not like there are any problematic denominations there either, right?
It always impresses me how Christianity = evangelicalism in the mind of most Lemmynauts. Outside evangelicalism (and even partly within evangelicalism), going to hell or heaven as nothing to do with being theologically correct or not. I mean, even the Catholic church, which is both by far the biggest one and absolutely not one of the most open ones states with an absolute clarity that non-Christians can go to heaven too.
I'm old enough to remember when kids started taking their new filp phone to public school and secretly recording their teachers berating their muslim or atheist students. The recordings stopped when teachers realized any student could be recording any conversation.
I'm also coded enough that bigots test the waters with me to see what I'll agree with. I don't exactly trust quiet christians. They're very polite when they assume you're also religious and things can go quickly downhill if they find out you're not.
Catholics do not believe that non-Christians go to heaven. Best case scenario, righteous unbelievers go to purgatory. Same with unbaptised babies.
Also, I grew up going to baptist and pentecostal churches. They 1000% do not think my atheist ass is getting into heaven no matter how righteous I am, even though I got baptized for that matter. Unless I repent at the 11th hour and "accept Jesus into my heart as my savior," anyway. There are certainly plenty denominations that are not all about preaching "hellfire for the unbeliever", but even plenty of those still believe that is true even if they're not boasting about it. There are some that allow for people to be saved through ignorance of Jesus (which makes missionary work kind of fucked up when you think about it that way). But even that is not the norm.
Jesus' sacrifice saving humanity from eternal damnation is a key tenet of nearly all denominations. And most of them also say that you need to actually accept it and turn your life over to him to qualify for the get out of Hell free card.
Source: 37 years of life in the Bible belt as both an active churchgoer and apostate.
You should see it this way: Look at our world. Look at the bad things. Look at the horrific things. God lets all those things happen AND he wants his dick sucked as if he doing jack shit is a good thing.
Go to hell. Be a rebel. Be proud of it.
You don't understand, all that suffering and all those dead babies are part of His plaaaaaaan. How can you even have morals without believing in god, please excuse the piles of dead babies.
Dead babies?
"God works in mysterious ways."
"Trust God's plan."
"Everything happens for a reason."
"You have to have faith."
"We should pray."
"He is testing our faith, like the book of Job."
These are the bullshit answers they give us because they don't really have an answer.
And when something good happens what do they say?
"God is good!"
"Praise the Lord!"
Look, believe in God all you want but when someone pisses on you, don't call it rain.
Have a meaningful conversation of how an all powerful, good God can allow so much suffering. Either he isn't good or he isn't powerful.
God has some of the worst fucking representatives. I don't want to be in a heaven with those assholes
Don't worry hell is also a nice place. They have Luau's there
we have the best caterers
Jokes on you, my plan all along was to tempt you away from God to secure a better position in Hell, as is the secret motivation of all atheists. Muahahaha!
It's like a reward program/pyramid scheme. The more people you recruit , the more they recruit and you end up at the top of your own pyramid of damnation.
Look, is it a pyramid scheme? Sure, maybe. But trying to pick the right religion to get into heaven, and even then there's no guarantee, that's like playing the lottery. You're better off signing up now and getting a better spot in the pyramid.
Sure, blame the atheism and conveniently forget about all the butt stuff.
Just pull the ole', "Look! A distraction!" and disappear into the billions-strong crowd stuck in the same boat.
The old Pascal's Wager. That's why I believe in every religion and none at the same time. I have to cover my bases.
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