There is no middle position on human rights. If you aren't for them, you are against them.
And some Democrats are listening. California Governor (and possible presidential candidate) Gavin Newsom has had several stabs at “moderating” on trans rights.
Daily reminder, ‘28 Democratic primary voters: if he does it to us, he’ll do it to you
Yup, primary the centrists and make sure you vote in every Democratic primary. It's slowly changing like the author here points out, just got to keep it going to get rid of their influence.
OMG if Americans could just line up a democratic challenger for every single electoral race... that would be FANTASTIC!
Every time an incumbent democrat runs unchallenged it tells them they've won the democrat vote and directly incentivizes them to focus on winning republican voters.
I think for a healthy Democracy and a healthy party, that should be the case, even for progressives when they win. If someone wants to challenge it should be welcomed and not shunned and worked against by the party.
Unfortunately it's not something that this current centrist party leadership will entertain.
this current centrist party leadership
You mean the incumbents? Yea of course they don't want primary challengers. It's always been the voter's responsibility to make that happen.
No, I'm referring to DNC leadership.
https://prospect.org/2024/06/18/2024-06-18-former-dccc-leaders-incumbent-house-democrats/
I was coming around on Gavin, but then he came out against protecting doctors accused of helping trans people.
Centralists are just embarrassed conservatives.
I'm sick and tired of people telling me that my rights as a trans woman are somehow in conflict with cis women's rights. I'm sick of being told that I need to accept being excluded from women's spaces. That they will support me if I agree that I'm not "really a woman"
It's bullfuck, I'm getting told "Oh just admit you're a man and never attempt to label yourself a woman by any metric for any reason ever, and we'll let you wear a dress, in private of course, we don't want you giving kids ideas."
If people wanted to negotiate my rights for being a woman, it would be called sexist. But since I'm trans and nonbinary, most people don't give a shit.
Fuck that shit. They're not interested in negotiating. They just want you to feel better about being squeezed in to the box they've picked out for you.
Be ungovernable.
Real centrists will say that those medical procedures are nothing of government's concern and shouldn't be moderated at all.
No such thing as a good "real centrist".
Then I think we need to make one because unfortunately there are a lot of people in this country who strongly identify with that aesthetic. I run into people constantly who are "I'm not into politics, but I know there's liars and idiots on both sides, and we really just need to settle down and have a conversation and agree on common sense stuff, like giving the military hundred of millions of dollars and subsidizing oil refineries and criminalizing homelessness." I think you could get these people to just as easily say "common sense stuff, like universal healthcare and safe injection sites and supporting the International Criminal Court," but they need a boring ass normie from the suburbs to tell them that's "normal."
Centrism doesn't have tenants or foundational principles beyond being moderate. The notion that centrism can be a launching point for any position is just grifter propaganda. Being a centrist is a tacit admission that one doesn't hold positions based on their individual merits but by their relative acceptance. It's called the Golden Mean Fallacy but I prefer "4D Group Think".
Real Centrists are people like Tim Pool, Bill Maher, Cenk Uyger, etc.
You'd lump Tim Pool as a centrist? I certainly wouldn't.
You have to understand, I consider all centrists closeted right wingers(grifters) or libertarian-adjacent levels of ignorant. In Tim Pools case he's both. Bill Maher isn't ignorant he's just a right wing grifter.
Centrism is fundamentally about pleasing as many people as possible. The grifters gospel.
It doesn't have tenants or principles with which you can qualify someone based on their stances because the stances of a centrist are fundamentally populist in nature.
Bill Maher is closet MAGA, I don't know who he thinks he's fooling.
I don't disagree with your assessment of centrists, but I think you mean tenets, not tenants.
I would make cautious alliance with someone if that was their principle.
Ah, no true Scottsman I see.
Well that's true, though, right?
If you call yourself a centrist, but then support an interventionist policy that makes trans healthcare more difficult... you're probably just wrong about being a centrist.
The same applies the other way. If you support governmental protections for trans healthcare (broadly), and enshrining basic protections across state lines, you're, again, not a centrist.
The difference is that the latter group isn't ashamed, so they aren't hiding their opinions for the sake of being less controversial. We're proudly supporting our trans friends because good people don't take the middle ground when one side wants to e.g. prosecute their friends' doctors for providing healthcare across state lines.
If this was a discussion about what a centrist is, sure we could take that at face value and say a "real centrist is...".
In terms of this discussion of the author's opinions on the Democrats that call themselves centrist and their actions, no.
A funny admission that centrists do not exist in this comment.
100%
I mean that's kinda my position lol. But I identify as a libertarian leftist, not a centrist.
Maybe I would be at the center of a more sane politics.
The only centrists are Right Wingers who learn that if they admit to being Republican they won't get laid.
There isn't centrism in the USA. Every Democrat is better than every Republican. Even Fetterman, who has literal brain damage, only voted to confirm 11 of 22 Trump cabinet appointees. The most that a Republican opposed is 3, which was Mitch McConnell.
Every Democrat is better than every Republican. Remember that.
Centrism is those cowards politicians who are afraid of offending the left and the right. Most democrats are like that centrists who bow down to the Republican fascists
When better is the difference between "the government oppresses me" vs "the government oppresses me and does a bunch of other terrible stuff too" you can't expect that difference to matter anymore for that voter.
The government pays for tens of millions of peoples' healthcare and kept 4.5 million children around the world from starvation, before. It did so by taxing the rich, who are currently so powerful that they built their own surveillance states and monopolies with which to oppress you on the same scale as a communist dictatorship did in the past.
There have been 48 or less DNC senators for over 13 years and during that time we've backslid down the democracy index.
The DNC is progressive.
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