LibCon politicians would sell us out in an instant and collectively flee to Argentina or Israel...
If Canada will take Americans into their military (or Canadian foreign legion) to defend, I would immediately sign up to kill the conservative invaders. There is no peaceful solution to conservatism. Violence will be required to solve this infestation and every war conservatives start is an opportunity for them to be properly dealt with.
Canada has known this for years, its the default position. This is why Victoria is the Capital of BC and Ottawa is the Capital of Canada, just to make that final push a touch more difficult.
When trump calls Carney making deals a "hostile act" you know his handlers are letting him know that's the first step.
The Canadian Armed Forces expect Canadians to go full Taliban on the US in the event of an invasion. Do I think Canadians have it in them to pull this off? 50-50, given how our current government enjoys disarming Canadians and dissuading firearm ownership it certainly doesn’t help prepare folks for this reality.
Defend? Yes.
Lose? Also yes.
Begin a long, ruthless, bloody painful insurgency that makes Vietnam and Afghanistan look like a retirement home sewing circle? TABERNAK LE FUCK OUI.
(for those who may not understand the switch to French, it is a reference to the phrase "will not fall until the last shell has been fired from the last cannon by the hand of the last French Canadian)
This is where I wish the Canadian government would buy a couple.million assault riffles and ammo. Bring in ex military, police, and train them on the weapons and in insurgency tactics. Then if relations continued to slump start signing out weapons to those who are trustworthy. Think IRA weapons caches and team cells.
The US would definelty think twice knowing there were a few hundred thousand well armed individuals scattered around.
That’s roughly what the mobilization reserve is intended as
Vive le Canada libre.
This guy has literally never spoken to a single member of the Canadian military in his life.
I know soldiers in the CAF. There is no one in Canada more gung-ho to fight the yanks than the CAF. Even the guys who used to be big Trump fans, even the far right assholes, they're all ready to throw hands. The few soldiers who still like Trump are treated as absolute pariahs right now. Everyone else accuses them of being cowards and traitors. Even if the Canadian government sent out an order to lay down arms, 90% of the CAF would ditch their uniforms and become insurgents. There's shit I've heard people say that I can't even share here because it would get people in serious trouble. Some of it because they shouldn't be saying it, and some of it because civilians like me aren't supposed to know about it.
Also, his digression about the threat modelling shows the depths of his ignorance. Yes, there are American liaison officers in Ottawa, of course there are. We're in two separate military alliances with the US. That doesn't prevent us from theory crafting about a possible US invasion, because that kind of thing is completely normal. Militaries plan for every possible eventuality because that's their job.
This video is the biggest load of horseshit I've ever seen. Every single word of it was spectacularly and outlandishly wrong in some way or another. Whatever this guy might be good at, talking about the Canadian military isn't it.
yup I work with a guy that was in the Canadian Armed Forces. He goes on about this all the time and says if it ever happens him and his old CAF buddies would re-enlist instantly. no questions. dude is itching to kill american soldiers. This is a guy who when he sees a telsa or cybertruck will spit on the ground and say "fucking nazis" all the time.
And I don't think the average american understands how much we Canadians will fight for this country. not just our Armed Forces but average citizens and I mean hell once you go north of Southern Ontario the americans would be in for a world of hurt. I used to live in Northern Ontario and pretty much every dude up there has a rifle and all work in the bush. Half of me almost wants the americans to try it just to find out the cluster fuck they'd get themselves into.
If they can't take Iran out, they sure as fuck ain't taking us out.
There are guys I know of in the CAF who used to be hardcore Trump fans. Guys who would constantly whine about how they wish Canada was more like the US. Guys who idolized the American military.
Those same guys would shoot Trump in the face if they saw him now.
Yeah, they're still right wing chuds. Yeah they still agree with 90% of his rhetoric. But none of that matters. He threatened our sovereignty. The moment that happened, he was dead to them.
And, I cannot emphasize this enough... the CAF as a whole is way less right wing than people think.
I regularly hang out with active duty reg force soldiers, and the ones I know are a mix of NDP voters, gay liberals, and genuine communists and anarchists. The CAF is a hugely mixed crowd. And while the enlisted do tend to skew somewhat conservative on the whole, the officers are all highly educated people (degrees are a requirement for officers) who tend to be much more liberal or left leaning.
It's not unusual for these guys to pick "the KKK" as their fictional enemies for section attack training. I've seen a warrant threaten to punch out anyone they catch being transphobic. I know a retired gunner who goes on loud, unprompted rants about what a fucking asshole Pollievre is.
This mentality that the CAF are a bunch of Trump worshipping proto-nazis is ignorant idiotic hogwash from misguided leftists who've never stepped a toe outside of their bubble and it genuinely hurts the left wing cause in Canada because there is so much support just waiting for us in the CAF if we stopped treating them all as a write-off.
I've said before, if the Canadian military has any threat modeling of an American invasion force, the best move is to slow things down a bit, get critical military material out of bases, and have the military become the leadership of guerilla forces. We won't win toe-to-toe, no matter how brutal the American losses are. But we look enough like Americans that we can blend in, we have a 5000 mile long border, and a very strong 'not American' national identity. We couldn't stop them from taking our country, but it would cost them every day they stayed.
But we look enough like Americans that we can blend in, we have a 5000 mile long border,
And a lot of us have been to their cities enough times to be able to navigate without a map.
The French knew how to resist. We have some French. 1+1=2
The French resistance spent years to get started and relatively few of them were able to obtain a functional firearm, let alone other weapons.
We need to have a home guard that is basically a ready made defense force made up of people willing and able to be trained for it. Former or current military, police, and civilians trained for it but kept undercover that they were.
Around January 2022 I said something similar about Ukraine if Russia invaded.
Keep in mind that there will almost certainly be Americans that are willing to sabotage their own.
Likewise for Canadians. See: a large number of sellouts in Alberta.
I'll admit Ukraine performed better than I expected, and Russia performed worse. Ukraine got a lot of foreign help, due in no small part to Russia's imminent threat to the rest of Europe, real or perceived. I don't know if the response if Canada was attacked would be the same, or greater, but I hope it is.
Article 5 is Article 5.
The EU could fall back on its own defensive pact, but that would mean losing the UK and Turkey.
Though if the US is smart about it they'll coordinate with a Russian invasion of the EU.
I used to think this. Until our 1 million drones a year deal with Ukraine. Who is beating Russia, a similarly supposed asymetric power. The US is actively losing to Iran. Times and war has changed and the US is gutting their own productivity to fuel corruption.
Yep.
And we have a lot of smart people up here and even more stubbornness.
The folks who migrated to Canada from Europe instead of to the USA and remained were obviously tough enough not to be trifled with in ww1.
Yeah, the US is coasting on an impression of their might that used to exist but is now only a product of decades of Hollywood propaganda. Capitalism has enshittified their military the way it has everything else. A trillion dollar+ military budget that has never passed audit and pretty much isn't expected to is actually just a corruption budget.
That said, I do agree with the video that Carney is using the threat of Trump to push for things that people might push back against without that threat hanging overhead.
Yes the whole supper power thing is in queation. I think America has coeuoted itself out of military might. Sure they spend a lot of money on military but I thibkntheir ROI has seceely decreased over the years.
They also wouldn’t have the unified support of the US citizenry. It’s very likely they’d face some turmoil from within.
Also hitting infrastructure to make life more difficult for the oligarchs like Ukraine did with Wildberries and oil depots would be very effective.
While I would hope so, I doubt it. They can’t even fight for themselves. Too apathetic and manipulated. I don’t believe for a minute that Americans would stand up for us. Maybe they would say so but action? Nope.
From A CBC article about follow up on Carney's comments on contingency plans
There is, however, an increasingly puzzled reaction among some Americans who have grown accustomed to Trump's threats, taunts and trolling.
Matthew Schmidt, an associate professor at the University of New Haven in Connecticut and a former instructor at the U.S. Army War College, said many Americans, including himself, are unaware of how Trump's words affect people in other nations.
"I don't think I have a visceral sense of what Canadians are feeling about the United States," Schmidt said. "We really don't have a sense of the impact of what the president is saying has on other places."
He dismissed the notion of the U.S. military taking action against Canada, but said Carney has taken the prudent, responsible course of a leader and measured the risk.
I fall on the same side as you, I hope so, but doubt it, and while this snippet isn't surprising at all to me, it still disappoints me. Yanks would probably see military action as just a joke or something at this point, or because it's outside their borders, they wouldn't care.
I'm being (hopefully) exaggerative and frankly antagonistic towards the Americans, but I'm increasingly annoyed by some of them (any time someone comes around to appolgise about how they're not one of the bad people and it's not all Americans, it's tone deaf, ignorant and seems self-serving) and despise their government. They need to be aware of how they're seen from outside, we do too.
He dismissed the notion of the U.S. military taking action against Canada,
Three years ago, he would probably have dismissed the notion of the US fighting a half-assed war of aggression against Iran, too. Guys, unless you get the nutcase out of the driver's seat and ensure no one comparable can rise to power in your country again, everyone else has to plan for the worst.
I am 70 years old. I’m sure I could be a very good drone flyer. If not strap a bomb to my scooter and I will head into a crowd of them and go boom.
They wouldn't have to. The US isn't going to start shelling and launching cruise missiles against our infrastructure, they would send an occupying force across the boarder by road. "We're just here to free those Albertans who are being held against their will."
No Canadian is gonna roll over and let US troops walk down their street, there are scores of people ready to block roads or burn down a building rather than hand it over. And there are the hundreds preppers hoarding guns in their basements, ready to take a shot and then fuckoff into a crowd of people willing to hide them.
The US could take Canada but it would be such a blatant and open act of unprovoked aggression I would be willing to bet even China would put pressure on the US to top, if only to protect their assets in Canada.
One thing is for sure, it would mean the end of the US as the world's superpower and a transition to China being the world's trusted hegemon, for better or for worse. The division and civil unrest it would create in the US alone would be mortal self inflicted wound geopolitically.
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