Police shoot woman dead, critically injure man in response to domestic incident (www.stuff.co.nz)

submitted 1 year ago by deadbeef79000 to c/newzealand

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Congratulations NZP you and your guns successfully escalated this situation to as bad as it could possibly get.

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[-] deadbeef79000 7 points 1 year ago

Amazing. There are nine comments. I see none.

Which means I've already blocked those commentors...

[-] AWOL_muppet 3 points 1 year ago

Yep. There's one healthy debate but it's started by a particular individual who has a very derisive and inflammatory approach to things...

Some good points, you could browse it anonymously of you normally use an app?

[-] deadbeef79000 3 points 1 year ago

Urgh. I just did that.

[-] Ilovethebomb -2 points 1 year ago

And you don't think laying the blame for this with the police is divisive and inflammatory?

[-] AWOL_muppet 1 points 1 year ago

Like I said, some good points.

[-] BalpeenHammer -4 points 1 year ago

It's really important to stay in your safe little bubble and not be exposed to ideas you disagree with.

[-] Ilovethebomb -4 points 1 year ago

This goober thinks blocking anyone who disagrees with him is winning.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

Local man Nathan Light said the couple were his “best mates” and were turning their lives around, telling Stuff that the man who was shot had dedicated himself to God and was due to be baptised in days.

Oh, damn. Dude's going to hell now. And he was just days away from ~~retirement~~ baptism.

Haha, just kidding. There's no man in the sky and there's nothing after we die. Instead of being frightened by that idea and letting con-artists weaponize your fear to lull you into a false sense of security (and likely taking your money), rejoice in the fact that you have a life to live to the fullest you're able and there's nothing stopping you from living the way you want to live. This goes especially for closeted, self-loathing homosexuals / trans people / anyone told by religious authorities that they don't matter or are broken.

I'm tellin' ya, it makes life a lot better.

[-] deadbeef79000 2 points 1 year ago

I bet it was with Destiny Church... 'cause thats not a toxic cesspit of hate.

[+] Ilovethebomb -9 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the police were the ones who escalated this, not the nutters with knives.

You poor thing.

[-] Dave 10 points 1 year ago

I think this is closely related to the report the other day saying police don't handle these cases well.

Police were called because the man was threatening to kill the woman and himself. The police came, their entire job is to deescalate the situation. Instead they shot both of them.

Arguably these people would have been better off if the police hadn't come.

Normally I would be on the side of the media only talking about the things that go poorly and that they can't all go well, but given the report from the other day from the coroner saying how badly police are handling these cases, I don't think they get an out on this one.

It was a knife. Why didn't they use a taser? The woman was shot and killed after she picked up the knife to threaten the police because they just shot her partner.

I'm happy to wait for a wider report to pass judgement but I can't see any way such a report would reflect kindly on police.

[-] Ilovethebomb -1 points 1 year ago

Given the failure rate of a tazer, there's no way in hell I'd use one on someone in that state wielding a knife, and I don't think that's a reasonable expectation of police either.

[-] Dave 9 points 1 year ago

I disagree. There was no risk to the public here. The police's entire job was to protect these people. Regardless of mental state, police's job is to de-escalate and save the lives of these people.

I'd change my mind if it turns out this was international best practice, but I think that's unlikely.

[-] Ilovethebomb -1 points 1 year ago

I think you'll find it's standard practice anywhere to shoot someone that's advancing towards you with a knife.

Every time something like this happens, a bunch of people who've clearly led very sheltered lives will come out and say they should have used tazers, or pepper spray, or hugs or whatever, regardless of how realistic that statement is.

Some people just aren't able to be talked down.

[-] Dave 6 points 1 year ago

This isn't a surprise knife attack, it was the entire reason for the call. I'd expect some standard approach that plans for the scenario of the person turning on police.

Every time something like this happens, a bunch of people who've clearly led very sheltered lives

100% me, hence my comment that I'd happily change my mind if a review found they did this as well as they could. But the report the other day called out police as doing this poorly, and learning little in the past 10 years. Hence they don't get the benefit of the doubt anymore.

[-] BalpeenHammer 5 points 1 year ago

Why is he comparing people who have led sheltered lives with supposedly trained police force. The police should most definitely not act like people who lead sheltered lives. Their entire job is to deal with these types of situations.

[-] Ilovethebomb 1 points 1 year ago

I'd expect some standard approach that plans for the scenario of the person turning on police.

I very much think the response we saw here would be a standard one across police forces worldwide.

[-] BalpeenHammer 4 points 1 year ago

You are very wrong. It's extremely rare for the police to gun down citizens in Europe.

[-] absGeekNZ 1 points 1 year ago

To be fair; it is also extremely rare in NZ.

Police figures showed 55 people had been shot dead by an officer between 1916 and the end of the last year - and just one of those who died was a woman.

55 in 108 years; that is just over 0.5 per year.

[-] BalpeenHammer 2 points 1 year ago

I'd like to see that plotted year over year.

[-] absGeekNZ 2 points 1 year ago

Normalised to population

[-] BalpeenHammer 2 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Also broken down by the parties in government.

[-] BalpeenHammer 4 points 1 year ago

The police are supposedly trained to handle people with knives without shooting them.

[-] hanrahan@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago

Then why bother attending if they're just going to shoot people dead.

[-] AWOL_muppet 2 points 1 year ago

I've been joking at work for years that we can no longer follow the best practice and how it's now about finding the least-worst practise. Its a shame to think the police might be the following the same M. O.

(Mostly sarcasm)